Justinslow
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Either or neither depending on what random occurrence may happen as discussed previously when I listed some of the possible hazards of riding a bicycle.
The CycleChat Helmet Debate Thread
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classic33
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There are no plans to make cycle helmets compulsory(in Ireland) though they are proven to reduce serious injury, Minister for Transport Paschal Donohoe has said.
So you really don't see that there is any difference in the risk between the two cases then?
Justinslow
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Yes there is a difference in risk obviously, but anything can happen to any of the riders at any time, it's just more likely to happen to the two riders travelling at speed together, but if the solo rider just happens to be really unlucky he could have any number of accidents and the two riders travelling at speed could equally have no trouble whatsoever.
Justinslow
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So are you suggesting we should never put ourselves in "risky" situations then?
Not at all, it has simply taken half a dozen pages for you to recognise that there are accidents at less than 30 mph, all that is needed now is for you to recognise that you can reduce these risks by not cycling in a dangerous manner
Justinslow
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Yep and accidents at all speeds inbetween, and you don't need to be riding in a dangerous manner to have an accident, I nearly had one on Sunday when my front wheel was nearly washed out by a slippery drain cover in town, I stayed on board luckily and didn't have to "test" my helmet against the road surface.
By the way what's your definition of "dangerous manner" bit vague init?
Justinslow
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Mjray said earlier that he had perhaps ridden at over 30mph twice since he started riding, just checked my strava feed and the only rides I can find where I haven't ridden over 30mph are the rides with my kids!
Here's one - a pretty slow ride with a mate
Maybe I'm just really "dangerous".
Here's one - a pretty slow ride with a mate
Maybe I'm just really "dangerous".
classic33
Leg End Member
I've clocked 50 +10% +2 on four wheels freewheeling. What does that prove?
So... when it says 'Great' Helmet Debate, may we take it to mean Bog Standard Helmet Debate?
I don't have the sort of genitalia that are suited to waving, but there are one or two stretches of road where I fancy I might top 50mph. When it comes down to it, I invariably hit a fear barrier in the high 40s, which is gratifyingly endorsed by the last cycle computer I used, which clocked my top speed at 49.9. It may be inaccurate. Either way, when I am hurtling down Cilibion Hill or the road from Cray to Heol Senni, the possibility of smashing my unplasticked skull on the tarmac is just one of innumerable available fear scenarios holding me back from the magic number, and the bareheadedness merely a footnote to an unlikely catastrophe. Others include broadsiding a sheep and breaking my neck or back in a ditch with the phone landed just out of reach, providing carrion for graceful red kites until another cyclist stumbles across my bleached bones. I'm a little bit confused as to why the poxy polystyrene placebo thingy should be the clincher.
I don't have the sort of genitalia that are suited to waving, but there are one or two stretches of road where I fancy I might top 50mph. When it comes down to it, I invariably hit a fear barrier in the high 40s, which is gratifyingly endorsed by the last cycle computer I used, which clocked my top speed at 49.9. It may be inaccurate. Either way, when I am hurtling down Cilibion Hill or the road from Cray to Heol Senni, the possibility of smashing my unplasticked skull on the tarmac is just one of innumerable available fear scenarios holding me back from the magic number, and the bareheadedness merely a footnote to an unlikely catastrophe. Others include broadsiding a sheep and breaking my neck or back in a ditch with the phone landed just out of reach, providing carrion for graceful red kites until another cyclist stumbles across my bleached bones. I'm a little bit confused as to why the poxy polystyrene placebo thingy should be the clincher.
classic33
Leg End Member
Nor me(Lost to cancer). But at the speeds given by myself and the person to who I was replying, what difference would wearing a helmet make?
Injuries sustained at that speed are going to affect more more than just the head.
Even motor cycle helmets are tested at an impact speed of 13.66 mph. http://www.bikersrights.com/statistics/notsafe.html
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Thank you for posting this..... it is interesting that athough you have fixated on the 30 mph, the majority of the time you are travelling well below that
In fact the average speed you quote is achievable by a pedestrian as well, in fact for much of this trip you are slower than some "pedestrian" athletes
So the evidence you have provided actually shows in some cases pedestrian and cycling speeds to be very similar.... and not only that both groups are in close groups with little or no chance of avoiding the consequences of a fall if the peron in front deviates or loses grip onthe surface
Given these new figures should we not be asking why at these similar speeds one group should wear helmets and others not?
Mugshot
Cracking a solo.
That's right incidents can occur at any speed, so maybe you can get down off that 30mph hobby horse you've been riding around on for the last too many pages, it's the head injury side of things we should be concentrating on. Which is of course what Adrian said to you which you claimed to not understand, which was then explained to you by two different posters, which you chose to completely ignore. It's almost as if....... nah, Adrian had said that previously too.
Mugshot
Cracking a solo.
In fairness it's quite a slow wave, almost regal.
