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Your biggest opposition is you team mate
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Your biggest opposition is you team mate
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Reynard
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Litmus test is probably closer to the truth. Given that you are ostensibly using the same kit.
Although that's not always the case as we well know.
Two (driver) heads are usually better than one when it comes to developing a car, but sometimes, the quickest driver isn't always the best problem-solver. The classic case-in-point here is Senna, as his best successes / flashy performances came in cars largely developed by other drivers.
Tom B
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The problem is with today's cars that seem to work in a couple of very narrow bands you need two drivers who both have a similar driving style and requirements from a car to perform well. Otherwise you end up with the red bull situation in 2024. The problem is exasperated when you have a team focussed on one driver who is at, perhaps the far end of the envelope or spectrum and takes the car development with them.
Then even an otherwise decent teammate looks crap.
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Reynard
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Yes and no.
One of the biggest issues here is the mental browbeating that goes on behind the scenes that we never really see. Well, except for Red Bull, where Herr Marko et al are known for publicly stirring the doo doo.
Sometimes that background needle worked quite well e.g. Piquet & Mansell at Williams (although Mansell's buttons are ridiculously easy to press) and at other times it can be quite detrimental - as we saw with Max and Checo these last couple of seasons. Makes you wonder how much Checo was paid *not* to wallop Max in the chops, because let's face it, who of us hasn't been tempted?
Jenkins
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Heads up for sportscar fans - it's the IMSA 12 hours at Sebring on Saturday. Coverage is free to air on https://www.imsa.com/tvlive/ or
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmfleSEUdHI
from 2pm GMT
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmfleSEUdHI
from 2pm GMT
Quality reporting from the Beeb..
Hamilton fifth in Melbourne with Leclerc fastest
Nope. Hamilton did not come 5th.
Oh and it's TESTING not an actual RACE so it doesn't f*&^*^&& matter!
A better summary would be "Hamilton was 4 tenths slower on average than LeClerc but we don't know what fuel loads they had. Hamilton said he was struggling a bit getting the car to turn, which suggests that (unsurprisingly) he is having a bit more difficulty getting the car set up to suit him than the chap who's been driving it for the last 5 years.
Hamilton fifth in Melbourne with Leclerc fastest
Nope. Hamilton did not come 5th.
No again BBC. Ferrari do not have 5 cars running. He was second fastest for Ferrari.
Oh and it's TESTING not an actual RACE so it doesn't f*&^*^&& matter!
A better summary would be "Hamilton was 4 tenths slower on average than LeClerc but we don't know what fuel loads they had. Hamilton said he was struggling a bit getting the car to turn, which suggests that (unsurprisingly) he is having a bit more difficulty getting the car set up to suit him than the chap who's been driving it for the last 5 years.
Beebo
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Qualifying is over and it’s the first time we really see the cars at full speed.
Ferrari are disappointingly slow, 7th Leclerc 8th Hamilton.
Good to see McLaren back and looking very strong with a 1/2 lock out.
Interesting that 3,4,5&6 are all different manufacturers. Suggesting a tight race.
Ferrari are disappointingly slow, 7th Leclerc 8th Hamilton.
Good to see McLaren back and looking very strong with a 1/2 lock out.
Interesting that 3,4,5&6 are all different manufacturers. Suggesting a tight race.
figbat
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Looks like it’ll rain though, so that throws a big curve ball.
Drago
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Isaak Hadjar seems to have had the best quali of the new intake. I'm wondering if he could be a bit of a dark horse? He's kept quiet and has attracted minimal press attention, but seems to just be pressing on queitly.
Poor performance from Lawson. Would love to see him do well but it doesn't seem likely. A woeful effort from Antoneli and Mercedes have got their excuse machine going at full tilt now. I can't see him being the next Ramilton, and wonder if it might spur Tinto Wolff to try and poach a better,more established driver. Max, perhaps, although if the rumours are true hell need one hell of a big budget to compete with some of the offers allegedly going Verstappen's way.
A good effort indeed from Norris, with Piastri a fag papers breadth behind him. Norris is clearly very fast and the car working well for both of them, but fast as he is I'm question his ability and fortitude as an actual racer. He might have his hands full again, even with a superior car. But we'll see - mere speculation, and anything could happen.
Poor performance from Lawson. Would love to see him do well but it doesn't seem likely. A woeful effort from Antoneli and Mercedes have got their excuse machine going at full tilt now. I can't see him being the next Ramilton, and wonder if it might spur Tinto Wolff to try and poach a better,more established driver. Max, perhaps, although if the rumours are true hell need one hell of a big budget to compete with some of the offers allegedly going Verstappen's way.
A good effort indeed from Norris, with Piastri a fag papers breadth behind him. Norris is clearly very fast and the car working well for both of them, but fast as he is I'm question his ability and fortitude as an actual racer. He might have his hands full again, even with a superior car. But we'll see - mere speculation, and anything could happen.
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McLaren were super fast - Norris almost half a second faster than the first Non-McLaren. Red Bull, Merc, Racing Bull and Williams were all within a 10th of each other. Hamilton almost a second off the lead pace with LeClerc only 2 tenths faster than Hamilton.
So yup - Ferrari clearly have some work to do. Wonder how the weather is going to pan out though?
Drago
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Lewis will be moaning even more than usual. He hops to Ferrari hoping for another world championship, only to finish 10th while his old firm managed 3rd and 4th.
Word is that he's already whining at his crew before the season had started, and this will push him to new heights of bellyaching.
Word is that he's already whining at his crew before the season had started, and this will push him to new heights of bellyaching.
figbat
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See!
I’m not sure we can deduce much from this race. The McLarens are both fast, the Ferraris are both not. The rookies are still on a very steep learning curve, although Alonso and Sainz were also both caught out. Antonelli showed some flashes of pace, George’s position flattered his race.
Those F1 drivers are pathetic.
They need tyres for dry weather, tyres for wet weather and even intermediate tyres.
I have driven my 1600 Astra for years with the same set of tyres with no crashes. I bet none of those high paid namby pamby drivers could do that.
They need tyres for dry weather, tyres for wet weather and even intermediate tyres.
I have driven my 1600 Astra for years with the same set of tyres with no crashes. I bet none of those high paid namby pamby drivers could do that.
I think you may be projecting a bit here. He seemed quite happy. His pace was consistent with LeClerc who has 5 years of driving the Ferrari and building up a rapport with his engineer. Both Ferraris were more off the pace than they hoped. Everything else was led quite a lot by chance and strategy calls. Ferrari kept their cars out too long and suffered as a result.
