Motorsports Thread

[figbat]

One thing missing from this year’s season finale - they usually do donuts on the close-down lap, sometimes on the pit straight too. Not this year.

 

[ClichéGuevara]

.... one - and it's contrary to the FIA's own rules.

Except it isn't, plus, as I understand it, all teams agreed prior to the race that it shouldn't finish under the safety car, and should be raced to the flag.

 

[Jody]

all teams agreed prior to the race that it shouldn't finish under the safety car,

Unusual thing for all teams to sign up for pre race.

Do you have any links to that?

 

[matticus]

There's one record set this year that's unlikely to be beaten.
"The longest pit stop in formula one history is 43 hours and 15 minutes. This is about 2,595 minutes or 155,700 seconds and it is a record held by Mercedes F1 team."

I love a crazy statoid, so I'll risk public humiiation and ask you to explain please! :P

Meanwhile, I loved the Kimi factoid: he's driver over 57 thousand miles in Grand Prix. That's a lot of football pitches back to back ...

 

[ClichéGuevara]

Unusual thing for all teams to sign up for pre race.

Do you have any links to that?

It's been detailed in several articles and by commentators, and summarised in the FIA report.

"The Race Director also stated that it had long been agreed by all the Teams that where possible
it was highly desirable for the race to end in a “green” condition (i.e. not under a Safety Car). "

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/f...otest-over-abu-dhabi-gp-race-restart/6878855/

 

[jowwy]

It's been detailed in several articles and by commentators, and summarised in the FIA report.

"The Race Director also stated that it had long been agreed by all the Teams that where possible
it was highly desirable for the race to end in a “green” condition (i.e. not under a Safety Car). "

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/f...otest-over-abu-dhabi-gp-race-restart/6878855/

too many overuling rules, within the rules and giving one person the opportunity to manipulate the result of a race.....which is what masi did

 

[Jody]

Reads more as some historic agreement (probably after Spa) that they are now hiding behind. Spa was a farce and shouldn't have ever been classified as a race being 2 laps run completely behind the safety car. Another rule re-write so they could dodge liabilities.

To me, where possible and highly desirable doesn't mean they should do it at any cost.

 

[Bonefish Blues]

Except it isn't, plus, as I understand it, all teams agreed prior to the race that it shouldn't finish under the safety car, and should be raced to the flag.

That's an assertion I've seen elsewhere, and aiui teams have all agreed it's preferable to finish a race on the track. But that way has brought the sport, and in particular the FIA into disrepute.

Why not throw a Red Flag? Neutralise the race, clear the track, tyre choice can be made, and then you get a what, 2-3 lap shootout as opposed to this, where there could only be one winner in those circumstances - and to repeat what I said before, it was the only circumstance where Max, who had been outpaced all afternoon, could have won the race.

Thoughtful analysis here:

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/why-masis-latest...

What does "Except it isn't" refer to?

 

[derrick]

The whole race was a farce. Masi should be sacked, shame Charlie died.

 

[ClichéGuevara]

I'm not getting into a pointless debate, and the comments above are all well and good, but my main point was that whether good, bad or indifferent, the actions were not against the rules.

Hamilton slowed to try to trap Verstappen, which left him further than 10 lengths behind the safety car, and he gained an advantage going off the track, (when other drivers stayed on in exactly the same scenario) and never gave the position back.

It's one event, albeit a key one, but people seem to focus on that as it supports their man, without considering events earlier in that race, or in others this season, all of which had some sort of influence on the final outcome.

It's done.

 

[matticus]

shame Charlie died.

Is this something we can all agree on??

 

[Bonefish Blues]

I'm not getting into a pointless debate, and the comments above are all well and good, but my main point was that whether good, bad or indifferent, the actions were not against the rules.

Hamilton slowed to try to trap Verstappen, which left him further than 10 lengths behind the safety car, and he gained an advantage going off the track, (when other drivers stayed on in exactly the same scenario) and never gave the position back.

It's one event, albeit a key one, but people seem to focus on that as it supports their man, without considering events earlier in that race, or in others this season.

Either party deserved to win the WDC. I have no particular allegiance to either (although I freely admit I prefer Lewis's style of racing to Max's), but have been a lifelong F1 follower and this casts a shadow over the awarding of the WDC - that's my issue.

 

[johnnyb47]

Jeremy Vine on Radio 2 will be talking about this later on, Should be interesting 🤔

 

[derrick]

Jeremy Vine on Radio 2 will be talking about this later on, Should be interesting 🤔

WTF does he know.

 

[figbat]

Except it isn't, plus, as I understand it, all teams agreed prior to the race that it shouldn't finish under the safety car, and should be raced to the flag.

You've gone on to show that this is a preference, rather than a mandate. There are circumstances where this is impossible, like when an incident happens too close to the end of the race to allow the processes to complete in time. This happened on Sunday - the only option for a last lap race was a red flag. Masi dithered and got caught without time to complete ANY of the available safety car processes, so he made it up on the spot with some kind of des-pot autocracy. He focussed entirely on the front two and ignored the rest of the field.