Motorsports Thread

[Bonefish Blues]

Jeremy Vine on Radio 2 will be talking about this later on, Should be interesting 🤔

Helllloooooo I have Mrs Trellis on the line. What's your point Mrs Trellis?

 

[ClichéGuevara]

You've gone on to show that this is a preference, rather than a mandate. There are circumstances where this is impossible, like when an incident happens too close to the end of the race to allow the processes to complete in time. This happened on Sunday - the only option for a last lap race was a red flag. Masi dithered and got caught without time to complete ANY of the available safety car processes, so he made it up on the spot with some kind of des-pot autocracy. He focussed entirely on the front two and ignored the rest of the field.

But still within the rules.

 

[Jody]

It's one event, albeit a key one, but people seem to focus on that as it supports their man, without considering events earlier in that race, or in others this season.

It's been pointed out how many times that there have been discrepancies in the rules and the way they have been applied this season. Hence why a lot of people disagree when it looks to be so obviously engineered.

My issue is with the FIA and not the person who won. The team communications played on air have shed light on how much of a shambles it is behind the scenes.

If the situation was reversed, RB would also be livid and I'd agree with RB.

 

[figbat]

But still within the rules.

No, not within the rules.

 

[Bonefish Blues]

No, not within the rules.

48.12 refers, for one.

 

[Beebo]

Having reviewed lots of expert opinion from ex racers and journalists. They are almost all in agreement that it was shoddy work from the stewards and Hamilton was very hard done by. But there is little to be gained from a long drawn out legal battle.
Someone at FIA and the company running the sport needs to take Toto to one side, admit it was an unsatisfactory ending and ask him to withdraw the complaint for the sake of the sport.
I wanted Hamilton to win his 8th WDC but not in the courts.

 

[ClichéGuevara]

No, not within the rules.

48.12 refers, for one.

Not according to those that make and administer them.

 

[Bonefish Blues]

It's been pointed out how many times that there have been discrepancies in the rules and the way they have been applied this season. Hence why a lot of people disagree when it looks to be so obviously engineered.

My issue is with the FIA and not the person who won. The team communications played on air have shed light on how much of a shambles it is behind the scenes.

If the situation was reversed, RB would also be livid and I'd agree with RB.

This. In spades. It's neither Max nor Lewis's fault.

Although just to add that the teams have always had open access to the Race Director, even in Charlie's time, it's just that we're only now hearing it, and Masi has had issues this year.

 

[Bonefish Blues]

Not according to those that make and administer them.

Ah yes, the people who to use the phrase we've seen a few times 'marked their own homework'

Do you really think that they were ever, in any circumstance likely to admit fault last night?

 

[Bonefish Blues]

And just for completeness, I was surprised that Lewis was allowed to keep the lead on Lap 1 - I think that was a bad call, because Max was, in RB's words, aggressive but fair in that one. Who knows why - perhaps Max's previous overtakes/defences swayed things, but that was a legitimate pass in my view.

 

[classic33]

I love a crazy statoid, so I'll risk public humiiation and ask you to explain please! :P

Meanwhile, I loved the Kimi factoid: he's driver over 57 thousand miles in Grand Prix. That's a lot of football pitches back to back ...

"The time it took to remove the right front wheel of Valtteri Bottas racing car. This is after it failed to come off during his pit stop at the Monaco Grand Prix in 2021, making it the longest pit stop in F1."

On
https://www.watsonpost.com/longest-pit-stop-in-formula-one/

and elsewhere.

 

[Jody]

Having reviewed lots of expert opinion from ex racers and journalists. They are almost all in agreement that it was shoddy work from the stewards and Hamilton was very hard done by. But there is little to be gained from a long drawn out legal battle.
Someone at FIA and the company running the sport needs to take Toto to one side, admit it was an unsatisfactory ending and ask him to withdraw the complaint for the sake of the sport.
I wanted Hamilton to win his 8th WDC but not in the courts.

I agree with that but the apology shouldn't be to Toto behind closed doors. It needs to be done in public and this put it to bed.

 

[Alex321]

Except it isn't, plus, as I understand it, all teams agreed prior to the race that it shouldn't finish under the safety car, and should be raced to the flag.

I don't for one moment believe they would have signed up to such a ridiculous thing. You simply cannot, in advance, know when safety cars may be required, or how long they will need to be out for. The only way they could possibly have been certain to be able to race the last lap would have been to agree the race should be red flagged if a safety car would have gone into the last lap.

 

[Alex321]

It's been detailed in several articles and by commentators, and summarised in the FIA report.

"The Race Director also stated that it had long been agreed by all the Teams that where possible
it was highly desirable for the race to end in a “green” condition (i.e. not under a Safety Car). "

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/f...otest-over-abu-dhabi-gp-race-restart/6878855/

Note "Where possible". That makes a huge difference, and yes, it has always been the preference.

 

[classic33]

It's been pointed out how many times that there have been discrepancies in the rules and the way they have been applied this season. Hence why a lot of people disagree when it looks to be so obviously engineered.

My issue is with the FIA and not the person who won. The team communications played on air have shed light on how much of a shambles it is behind the scenes.

If the situation was reversed, RB would also be livid and I'd agree with RB.

True, but Mercedes were the only team to have brought legal aid, a QC, to the race.