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But whatever, once the first corner elbows-out bit was out the way he wasn't on the same plane of existence. Max hunted him down with shark like tenacity and quickly dispatched him, cleanly or not.
It was the 3rd corner I was referring to not the 1st, although the 2nd is but a kink, not quite sure how driving fast in a virtual straight line can be called "hunted him down with shark like tenacity " but by deliberately parking his car on the corner not only did he force Perez off the road he completely screwed up Norris's race. Perez was then disadvantaged, by being behind the Haas, but I will agree that the only time Perez seems to shone is when Verstappen screws up, which he rarely does, which is exactly what you need on a No2 driver.
 

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I watched the race where neither driver was penalised by the Marshals, despite Perez not having the line. I'm also reading a sporting media pretty much unifersally tut-tutting at Perez for being too ambitious turning in on a car that was clearly better controlled and braking deeper than he could manage himself. Sergio has himself already said he was caught witn Max unsighted both times, and Red Bull Spice has echoed this.

But whatever, once the first corner elbows-out bit was out the way he wasn't on the same plane of existence. Max hunted him down with shark like tenacity and quickly dispatched him, cleanly or not. If Perez were so sheet hot when why does he let Max keep doing this?

He's running out of excuses, as are his fans. RB is quite driver-centric in that they're responsible for their own set up, strategy and tyre choice (Red Bull Spice has the final say but rarely countermands a plan pre-race once presented to him) so despite the wheedling of his three fans Perez has the same machinery, the same opportunity, and RB tend to take it in turns applying updates so neither driver is disadvantaged, at least until the title becomes a fair accompli. At RB he has more autonomy in his set up and strategy than he would at any other team on the grid, and still people moan about him being treated unfairly.

The answer is simple. He needs to drive faster. He needs to qualify on pole more often so he is the one that gets to brake deep (although he's not as good deep on the brakes as Max anyway), he needs to stop making silly mistakes and getting getting penalties, he needs to stop letting Max overtake him, then he might be a contender.

His job is to finish second but every year he has a few rubbish races. Trouble is the press sell him as the second coming when he wins and write him off as a hack when he doesn't do well.
 

FishFright

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It was the 3rd corner I was referring to not the 1st, although the 2nd is but a kink, not quite sure how driving fast in a virtual straight line can be called "hunted him down with shark like tenacity " but by deliberately parking his car on the corner not only did he force Perez off the road he completely screwed up Norris's race. Perez was then disadvantaged, by being behind the Haas, but I will agree that the only time Perez seems to shone is when Verstappen screws up, which he rarely does, which is exactly what you need on a No2 driver.

Verstappen lost the back end slightly under braking at corner 3 which pushed him wide and into Perez. It was mentioned enough times in the commentary.
 
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It was the 3rd corner I was referring to not the 1st, although the 2nd is but a kink, not quite sure how driving fast in a virtual straight line can be called "hunted him down with shark like tenacity " but by deliberately parking his car on the corner not only did he force Perez off the road he completely screwed up Norris's race. Perez was then disadvantaged, by being behind the Haas, but I will agree that the only time Perez seems to shone is when Verstappen screws up, which he rarely does, which is exactly what you need on a No2 driver.

Norris has said his car went into antistall and that is why he dropped down the order.

https://www.crash.net/f1/news/10303...ez-battle-wasn-t-reason-norris-lap-1-disaster
 
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Another unfortunate accident at Spa Francorchamps takes the life of an 18 year old, 2nd fatality in 4 years, he's the 49th driver to lose he life there (along with 4 marshals) , when I first read about it, along with the standard image of Eau Rogue I had presumed it was on Raidillon again. But apparently it was on the Kemmel Straight potentially due to the wet conditions, it just reinforces the fact that motorsport is dangerous, but a sad end to a young life.
 
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No Martin Brundle again, Sky really struggle when he's not there, they need to find a personality
 
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Well that was a bit of a farce, although I agree that the race is between the white lines & crossing it needs to be penalised, they need to change the tracks (safely) to stop the drivers being able use the extra space, if there is no advantage they won't do it.
 
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Well that was a bit of a farce, although I agree that the race is between the white lines & crossing it needs to be penalised, they need to change the tracks (safely) to stop the drivers being able use the extra space, if there is no advantage they won't do it.

Yeah, deffo. My experience of racing drivers is that if you give them an inch, they'll take a mile.

Replace concrete runoffs with gravel. If there's a risk of getting stuck in the kitty litter or getting *very* dirty tyres (like it used to be BITD), it might make the little darlings think twice.
 

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Yeah, deffo. My experience of racing drivers is that if you give them an inch, they'll take a mile.

Replace concrete runoffs with gravel. If there's a risk of getting stuck in the kitty litter or getting *very* dirty tyres (like it used to be BITD), it might make the little darlings think twice.

Can't use gravel at turns 9 & 10 due to it also being used for Moto GP. I'd go with the MSV style pressure pads and camera as indisputible proof.
And I know that only selective radio messages are broadcast, but why do we only hear Hamilton complaining? I did like one of Toto's replies which was effectively "shut up, stop moaning and just drive"
 

FishFright

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Well that was a bit of a farce, although I agree that the race is between the white lines & crossing it needs to be penalised, they need to change the tracks (safely) to stop the drivers being able use the extra space, if there is no advantage they won't do it.

More than 1200 reports of track limit infractions in one race is a crazy, added to that the post race penalties don't help much either

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/f...limit-offences-after-f1-austrian-gp/10490842/
 
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