Motorsports Thread

[Tom B]

My old man (kickball fanatic) has harped on about track limits for decades "bloody cars should stay in the white lines.. mumble groan harp whinge (bloody kickball players should man up and stop throwing themselves on the floor).

My argument has always been "why they've built a kerb they can run on why not let them run on it, what's the point of building it in such a way otherwise?

I think my view is just let them run over it to the point of it not being sensible any more, it's the same for all of them, no whistle and no changes of order 6hours later. WYSIWYG.

Don't want them running over it, end the track, put grass then gravel or grass then tarmac.

 

[icowden]

Hamilton started moaning about others after he was given the five second penalty. He wasn't the only one who was overheard on the radio saying that others were doing the same as him. There were some questioning other drivers actions, way before Hamilton started moaning.

But on the other hand there were plenty of drivers who did manage to stay inside the lines (Alonso, Russell etc). Add to that that the only multiple world champion getting additional penalties was Hamilton. I get that controlling the car was probably causing his problems linked with trying not to lose position and Toto admitted that the car was hard to drive - but... He is skilled enough to have had the choice.

 

[icowden]

Yes, it's funny, but their dominance wasn't quite as dominant, apart from a mechanical failure, or an out of position start & then getting caught up in somebody else's accident, I cannot see there being any other team winning a race this year.

This. You only had to look at Max coming out from his stop behind LeClerc. It was like he had an extra gear. Obviously part of it is that he is a very good racing driver and the machine has been built to fit his driving style and not Perez's, but even with Perez's difficulties getting past Sainz (presumably he didn't listen to the pre race briefings "Remember Checko - you can't overtake into that corner because you won't have DRS and the other car will) he managed to get back up to second without too much difficulty.

I did rather enjoy Sainz's pitiful wailing "he is trying to intimidate me". I mean - really?

 

[Deleted member 26715]

But on the other hand there were plenty of drivers who did manage to stay inside the lines (Alonso, Russell etc). Add to that that the only multiple world champion getting additional penalties was Hamilton. I get that controlling the car was probably causing his problems linked with trying not to lose position and Toto admitted that the car was hard to drive - but... He is skilled enough to have had the choice.

Probably typed this on here several times already, but at the age of 16 (sometime last century) on my moped coming back from the girlfriends house there was a very sharp left hand bend, each time I would go round it I would end up on the wrong side of the road. On talking to my father about this one day he simply answered, 'slow down you're going too fast' I argued the point that I was only going 15mph or such, his response 'slow down you're going too fast'. At the time I didn't like the answer, but it now make perfect sense, they only cross the white line as they are going into the corner too fast & trying to carry too much speed.

 

[icowden]

At the time I didn't like the answer, but it now make perfect sense, they only cross the white line as they are going into the corner too fast & trying to carry too much speed.

Yup - in Hamilton's case to retain position because his brakes were dodgy. But he could have gone slowed and been about 17 seconds faster (15 second penalties plus 2 secs extra pitstop time).

 

[Illaveago]

Why is it that they choose a particular corner for setting track limits when there is no penalty for going off elsewhere?
There was no penalty for the Verstappen Perez incident which almost caused an accident at the 2nd corner by forcing his teammate off the track and other cars to take avoiding action .

 

[classic33]

Why is it that they choose a particular corner for setting track limits when there is no penalty for going off elsewhere?
There was no penalty for the Verstappen Perez incident which almost caused an accident at the 2nd corner by forcing his teammate off the track and other cars to take avoiding action .

Corners four, nine and ten seemed to be common corners for exceeding track limits.

Verstappen-Perez was a first lap incident. They've been trying to be a bit more lenient on first lap incidents.

 

[Jody]

Why is it that they choose a particular corner for setting track limits when there is no penalty for going off elsewhere?

Some corners offer a time advantage after running wide and some don't.

 

[Illaveago]

Some corners offer a time advantage after running wide and some don't.

I think most corners do that.

 

[Jody]

I think most corners do that.

Not really. The majority of corners put you at a disadvantage if running wide.

This has rumbled on for some years now

https://www.racefans.net/2014/03/23/corners-special-cases-track-limits-disputes/

 

[icowden]

And does it matter? All the drivers knew the rules.

 

[Deleted member 26715]

And does it matter? All the drivers knew the rules.

Which bit? the fact they are not racing on the race track, or that if they go off the race track they will get penalised?

 

[Deleted member 1258]

Hamilton's been blaming a set up change for his misdemeanors, recons they had to tweek the front wing during the pitstops.

https://www.crash.net/f1/news/10305...-took-over-and-reveals-setup-call-led-penalty

 

[icowden]

Which bit? the fact they are not racing on the race track, or that if they go off the race track they will get penalised?

Both. There were loads of track limit complaints but over half the field managed not to get penalties.

 

[Alex321]

Both. There were loads of track limit complaints but over half the field managed not to get penalties.

So it wasn't actually 60 per driver, but 120 per driver of those who breached limits?

Or were the majority of the 1200 breaches not penalised?