Corona Virus: How Are We Doing?

You have the virus

  • Yes

    Votes: 57 21.2%
  • I've been quaranteened

    Votes: 19 7.1%
  • I personally know someone who has been diagnosed

    Votes: 71 26.4%
  • Clear as far as I know

    Votes: 150 55.8%

  • Total voters
    269
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The Jogger

Legendary Member
Location
Spain
…...or was it merely rectifying a grotesquely unjust sexist policy that discriminated against males....?
Not that women haven't been discriminated against throughout their working life and still being discriminated against in the workplace with wages equality. It's a small price to pay to allow them to retire a bit earlier. Maybe you're the type of person who thinks women have had it easy, giving up their careers to bring up the kids and then returning to jobs like shop work and other low paid jobs. How dare they retire a bit early! Right? Wrong!
 

slowmotion

Quite dreadful
Location
lost somewhere
Not that women haven't been discriminated against throughout their working life and still being discriminated against in the workplace with wages equality. It's a small price to pay to allow them to retire a bit earlier. Maybe you're the type of person who thinks women have had it easy, giving up their careers to bring up the kids and then returning to jobs like shop work and other low paid jobs. How dare they retire a bit early! Right? Wrong!
Er…..actually no.
Next question?
 

Accy cyclist

Legendary Member
Not that women haven't been discriminated against throughout their working life and still being discriminated against in the workplace with wages equality. It's a small price to pay to allow them to retire a bit earlier.
Wages inequality for doing exactly the same job as men,or doing a similar job? Plus, women on avarage live longer than men,so it'd be fairer to let men retire earlier than women.
 

marinyork

Resting in suspended Animation
Location
Logopolis
Do you know whether discrimination law applies to individual employees or to the business / owner? Because a shop owner who insists on enforcing mask wearing could put their employees in a very difficult position indeed.

They could.

It applies to both employers and employees (and even agents where money is exchanged). If it can be linked to the course of employment the employer may be found responsible (most often). The employee is responsible for all acts of discrimination although if they were told to do it by the employer and that it was correct and reasonably believed it was the right thing to do they would not be (unfortunately this does crop up). In practice there are all sorts of scenarios like in big companies where the employer turns on the employee, even if custom and practice or orders were given to do the wrong thing to the employee. Or it's just very unpleasant. Or rumours go around, or publicity.

Although stopping coronavirus wouldn't be disputed as a legitimate aim, the bit that's important is whether it's proportionate. Retail culture and other environments are not known for their sage and well planned health and safety and welfare of employees unfortunately. Outside the business, the theatre of public opinion, the media and the courts tend to take a much dimmer view. Especially as it's probably most likely to happen in a food shop, it's not likely to be regarded as proportionate.

Having said that, I do think some service providers such as councils and mental health services have not set a good example on discrimination and have just stuck two fingers up at some quite at vulnerable groups and these things also have an effect how the rest of business/society behaves, sadly.
 
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marinyork

Resting in suspended Animation
Location
Logopolis
Ah, sorry. It's still pretty straightforward though as far as I can tell as employers can't ask employees to break any laws which is why it's up to the police to enforce mask wearing.

It's not that straightforward in the sense of the vain hope of it not happening: it's an offence in itself related to discrimination law, although there's some interesting debate on the size of the fine on that one vs how effective it might be (£5000).
 

Slick

Guru
It's not that straightforward in the sense of the vain hope of it not happening: it's an offence in itself related to discrimination law, although there's some interesting debate on the size of the fine on that one vs how effective it might be (£5000).
Not in Scotland that I'm aware off and the last I heard, there has only been one single fine issued.

The straightforward that I referenced was in relation to employer responsibilities and why it should only be police enforcing laws and not bus drivers and shopkeepers.
 

marinyork

Resting in suspended Animation
Location
Logopolis
Not in Scotland that I'm aware off and the last I heard, there has only been one single fine issued.

The straightforward that I referenced was in relation to employer responsibilities and why it should only be police enforcing laws and not bus drivers and shopkeepers.

Well it could be worse, they could be fining the workers for not enforcing laws.

It seems unsatisfactory for a large variety of reasons, the biggest one being that mask wearing has jumped from about 25% to 80-90%.

The workplaces where many are not required to either by law or company policies may need looking at towards winter.
 

lane

Veteran
Well it could be worse, they could be fining the workers for not enforcing laws.

It seems unsatisfactory for a large variety of reasons, the biggest one being that mask wearing has jumped from about 25% to 80-90%.

The workplaces where many are not required to either by law or company policies may need looking at towards winter.

Do you mean workplaces that are not required to wear masks or not required to enforce the wearing of masks?
 

marinyork

Resting in suspended Animation
Location
Logopolis
Do you mean workplaces that are not required to wear masks or not required to enforce the wearing of masks?

To wear.
 

DCLane

Found in the Yorkshire hills ...
Son no. 2's not happy as he can't compete in his cycling nationals this year - it's just been confirmed. He'd have to quarantine for 14 days once arriving in Ireland and it's not possible for him.

The stupid people meeting up and catching this have basically ruined every event he'd been preparing for this year.
 

lane

Veteran
Well it could be worse, they could be fining the workers for not enforcing laws.

It seems unsatisfactory for a large variety of reasons, the biggest one being that mask wearing has jumped from about 25% to 80-90%.

The workplaces where many are not required to either by law or company policies may need looking at towards winter.

Interesting to see how this plays out. Some schools currently banning masks for teachers and students, some allowing and some requiring them. Possibly not the clearest message.
 

Slick

Guru
Interesting to see how this plays out. Some schools currently banning masks for teachers and students, some allowing and some requiring them. Possibly not the clearest message.
That is interesting. We as a college are now mandating them for everyone in every setting with no exceptions. If you can't wear a mask you are not getting in.
 
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