Corona Virus: How Are We Doing?

[marinyork]

It actually is that simple. Unfortunately those who fall into the second category also try and make it seem more complicated so they can try and rationalize the simple fact that they are selfish, deny the science, don't care about people dying and value money more than human life. It is without a doubt as simple as that.

I wish you luck in November for your re-election campaign.

 

[lane]

People have a spectrum of approaches to risk, even where the science is crystal clear (e.g. how fast to drive on a motorway).
Don't think that because you do something differently to someone, you are in the good guys, and they are in the bad guys.


Safety is not binary, Risk Assessments are never black and white.

There is a speed limit on the motorway. If you are driving at 100mph you are the bad guy even if you think it is safe.

 

[lane]

The guidance on schools seems to put a great deal of emphasis on extra cleaning; which is all well and good but only deals with one potential source of transmission. I would anticipate quite a few cases in schools, because children are generally asymptomatic and there is nothing in the way of social distancing required.

 

[Accy cyclist]

Another letter, from another specialist, saying that due to the current conditions, any further treatment will have to be via my GP. That ends all hospital treatment for the foreseeable future.

I can't even get an appointment with the GP. Next hospital visit may well be an A&E department. Not by choice either.

I'm getting a bit cynical now and wondering if the current situation is being used to get rid of some on waiting lists, thereby making them shorter. A third annual review being the one cancelled today.

I can't be the only one in this situation. But what about the knock on effect of not being treated, it's simply left snowballing.

I've been waiting three weeks for an appointment at the hospital to see someone regarding my now very hard to walk on right hip and leg. No doubt when the appointment eventually arrives i'll have at least a month before i can see someone. I'm wondering if i was younger, producing and paying income tax would i be higher up the waiting list.

 

[classic33]

It actually is that simple. Unfortunately those who fall into the second category also try and make it seem more complicated so they can try and rationalize the simple fact that they are selfish, deny the science, don't care about people dying and value money more than human life. It is without a doubt as simple as that.

I was already in trouble, medically, prior to this. I've done the best over the years to minimise the impact to others, and the health system.

Five years ago, it cost £350 for an Ambulance to attend in the street, and take me to an A&E. More if an FRU was sent out as well*. Add in treatment and the cost rises.

It's all change now, with me being left to my own devices to manage. It's not a readily visible condition, but visible to get me classed as a drunk or on drugs on first impressions. The brain has the answer to most comments, the mouth is unable to deliver those answers at times.

I've been T-boned by a car, and I can safely say that the day after being hit I didn't feel as sore as after a seizure. These happen/occur on almost a daily basis. They leave the mouth swollen, the airway "burnt", making breathing awkward and noisy.

Which has the bigger impact, I can't say. Two! tests and both were negative.

*It's odd the things you talk about, to pass the time whilst waiting to be admitted.

 

[matticus]

There is a speed limit on the motorway. If you are driving at 100mph you are the bad guy even if you think it is safe.

You've completely missed the point!
EDIT: which - surprisingly - wasn't actually about motorway driving.

 

[lane]

You've completely missed the point!

OK

 

[lane]

He told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme:

The risk then is that big schools, comprehensives, universities, FE [further education] colleges link lots of households together, reconnect the social network, which social distancing measures have deliberately disconnected. And that poses a real risk of amplification of transmission, of case numbers going up quite sharply.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...hildrens-commissioner-covid-19-latest-updates

 

[MntnMan62]

People have a spectrum of approaches to risk, even where the science is crystal clear (e.g. how fast to drive on a motorway).
Don't think that because you do something differently to someone, you are in the good guys, and they are in the bad guys.


Safety is not binary, Risk Assessments are never black and white.

Sorry but when the issues that are at risk and competing against one another are economic or life and death, life and death wins every time. Those who choose economic are the bad guys. Sorry. And the science I'm referring to is the many studies and the practical real life results the entire planet has seen from using masks. They work. For both the wearer and the other person. Period.

 

[MntnMan62]

You're the only one mentioning money.

Uh, no, I'm not.

 

[MntnMan62]

I wish you luck in November for your re-election campaign.

Not sure if you're being sarcastic but I'll assume you actually mean that, to which I say thank you.

 

[classic33]

Sorry but when the issues that are at risk and competing against one another are economic or life and death, life and death wins every time. Those who choose economic are the bad guys. Sorry. And the science I'm referring to is the many studies and the practical real life results the entire planet has seen from using masks. They work. For both the wearer and the other person. Period.

That's the subject of another thread, this one is about how people are/have been affected by the current situation.

And the piece in italic bold is money. Something you're not mentioning.

 

[Mrs M]

Aberdeen in lockdown again for next 7 days.
Breach of social distancing in the pubs, 54 new cases (so far).
I despair.

 

[matticus]

Sorry but when the issues that are at risk and competing against one another are economic or life and death, life and death wins every time. Those who choose economic are the bad guys. Sorry. And the science I'm referring to is the many studies and the practical real life results the entire planet has seen from using masks. They work. For both the wearer and the other person. Period.

Let's look at this more closely, in 3 simple points:
- You started talking about re-opening schools, and how this was dangerous. How did children get morphed into an economic issue?
- The science shows only very small benefits for anyone from masks. MANY studies showed no benefit. Most studies show disadvantages, and increases in certain risks; it's hardly surprising that the science is unclear to many people.
- Everyone's circumstances are different - so you can't know what their risks are. Your binary classification of the world's population is therefore absurd.

Period.

 

[Rocky]

- The science shows only very small benefits for anyone from masks. MANY studies showed no benefit. Most studies show disadvantages, and increases in certain risks; it's hardly surprising that the science is unclear to many people.

I am afraid you are wrong on this point. Here's an article from the University of California setting out the science.

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/4...s-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent

With regards to risks, the major harm comes from people talking about perceived risks where, actually, there are no risks. Marteau's article in the BMJ sums this up:

https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m2913