Are we being forced to go electric?

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Mike_P

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Drago said:
It's easy - plug it into the charger, and program the charger to come on for an hour or two once a week.

E cars end up in that state through neglect, not because there isn't a very easy means of preventing it.

It's not the main battery that's the problem. Most e cars have a second 12v battery, much like a normal car does, and that powers most functions other than the drive, and its that which goes flat. ICE cars suffer identically if they are not used or placed on charger.

The traction batter is fine, a different chemistry, and will hold its charge for months or even years, although its not recommended to do so frequently...which is where plugging it in and programming the charger comes in.
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If it's the normal battery that is the issue using a trickle charging solar panel charger may be sufficient.
 
Gunk

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Just looking at some used prices on AT last night, they’re sky high at the moment, great time to sell, not such a good time to buy.
 
CXRAndy

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Drago said:
It's easy - plug it into the charger, and program the charger to come on for an hour or two once a week.

E cars end up in that state through neglect, not because there isn't a very easy means of preventing it.

It's not the main battery that's the problem. Most e cars have a second 12v battery, much like a normal car does, and that powers most functions other than the drive, and its that which goes flat. ICE cars suffer identically if they are not used or placed on charger.

The traction batter is fine, a different chemistry, and will hold its charge for months or even years, although its not recommended to do so frequently...which is where plugging it in and programming the charger comes in.
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Tesla have a routine to maintain their systems.

The newer cars now have lithium battery for 12V, which is now becoming 48V system, to reduce current, cable sizes throughout the vehicle.
 
CXRAndy

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Jameshow said:

View: https://www.facebook.com/reel/258998760251339?s=yWDuG2&fs=e


81 miles per charge an £72 in elecy! Vs£36
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208GT EV

An EV with a motorway range of 120-150 miles.

Charges it up at the most expensive charge points. Smart chap :laugh:

He could've got a Nissan Leaf 62kW with > 230 miles range. Kona Electric high 200 mile range.

He could have hired a Model 3 or Y from Hertz. My daughter is hiring a Tesla soon in London to travel to Cornwall, the price is cheaper than hiring a VW Polo :okay:

Hertz did a $4.2 billion dollar deal for 100,000 vehicles from Tesla.
 
Drago

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And that, as much as I'm not a fan is where Tesla are clever. They're using their head start well and are best part of a generation ahead of the likes for Ford with ideas like that formcanle management and the like. Ford, in their honesty, reckon the Mach E has over a mi,e more cabling than a comparable Tesla. That's a lot.

Mind you, Ford did have a good old laugh at the Model S inner front wing which is made from 5 different assemblies all glued and pinned together. Five components to design, source and pay for, four joins rewuiring time and money to execute, with each a potential failure pont, whereas Ford learned best part or a century ago that a simple one piece steel pressing is the way to go.

Perhaps there may come a convergence one day where the genuinely useful Tesla knowlege and experience is combine with proper expertise in the design and manufacture of car structures and mass production systems. That could genuinely make for a fantastic vehicle, and seriously reduce the eye watering prices Tesla charge which are necessitated by the excess of hand assembly and Intervention their immature (in the engineering sense) monocoque designs.

Once again, Drago strikes a blow for the common people!
 
CXRAndy

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Drago said:
And that, as much as I'm not a fan is where Tesla are clever. They're using their head start well and are best part of a generation ahead of the likes for Ford with ideas like that formcanle management and the like. Ford, in their honesty, reckon the Mach E has over a mi,e more cabling than a comparable Tesla. That's a lot.

Mind you, Ford did have a good old laugh at the Model S inner front wing which is made from 5 different assemblies all glued and pinned together. Five components to design, source and pay for, four joins rewuiring time and money to execute, with each a potential failure pont, whereas Ford learned best part or a century ago that a simple one piece steel pressing is the way to go.

Perhaps there may come a convergence one day where the genuinely useful Tesla knowlege and experience is combine with proper expertise in the design and manufacture of car structures and mass production systems. That could genuinely make for a fantastic vehicle, and seriously reduce the eye watering prices Tesla charge which are necessitated by the excess of hand assembly and Intervention their immature (in the engineering sense) monocoque designs.

Once again, Drago strikes a blow for the common people!
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Tesla could scoff at all the other legacy manufacturers, using multiple panels to create a chassis, when Tesla use a 'Giga Press' to form huge sections in piece.

Now legacy manufacturers are copying Tesla leading the way.

Honestly all the legacy manufacturers are still making cars like they always have, but with electric motors fitted.

Tesla leads the way in vehicle design


View: https://youtu.be/tf8CCyL3BYE
 
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