Are we being forced to go electric?

[fossyant]

Are they? Mrs D's Mini went in for it's 6 months safety check last week and unsolicited they offered us what we'd paid for it new.

I would have taken them up on it, but new ones aren't available until well into next year...which is possibly why they're trying to prise new new low mileage minters out of their owners grasp.

Very similar story with our drummer and his electric porker, except they phoned him out the blue to make their offer.

They are falling, 50-60% drop in 2-3 years. Auto trader - seriously considering a small city car - Honda E can be had from around £18k, half what they were new with less than 10k on the clock !

Leaf's really cheap, again 2-3 years old. Corsa e the same

 

[fossyant]

They’ll it change the design bar a few tweaks as the primary driver is the drag coefficient and the cost to do so would be very high.
They’ll just keep refreshing with perhaps new “under the skin” changes but looks wise, very little difference.

Reviews say they've reduced the number of welds and lost a load of components - possibly making it cheaper

 

[Drago]

They are falling, 50-60% drop in 2-3 years. Auto trader - seriously considering a small city car - Honda E can be had from around £18k, half what they were new with less than 10k on the clock !

Leaf's really cheap, again 2-3 years old. Corsa e the same

I clearly dont go to those dealers.

 

[cougie uk]

On auto trader I've found a two year old leaf that's done - 5 miles. No idea how that could be.

 

[rogerzilla]

5 miles in reverse!

(Thanks to Ferris Bueller, we know this doesn't work)

 

[cougie uk]

5 miles in reverse!

(Thanks to Ferris Bueller, we know this doesn't work)

Ah but that wasn't electric. It might just work this time...

 

[CXRAndy]

Digging into used prices and it's not looking good if you bought an EV - residuals are dropping like lead weights at present, all good news for those wanting a used car though.

Not if we keep hold of them.

 

[Chislenko]

On auto trader I've found a two year old leaf that's done - 5 miles. No idea how that could be.

The owner didn't have a charger 😊

 

[Jameshow]

View: https://www.facebook.com/reel/258998760251339?s=yWDuG2&fs=e


81 miles per charge an £72 in elecy! Vs£36

 

[cougie uk]

View: https://www.facebook.com/reel/258998760251339?s=yWDuG2&fs=e


81 miles per charge an £72 in elecy! Vs£36

Meanwhile in the real world it'd easily be 130 miles for £8.40.

Has he gone out of his way to make it as pricey as possible?

 

[rogerzilla]

Did he do a constant 120mph with the aircon on AND the windows open?

 

[Chislenko]

On auto trader I've found a two year old leaf that's done - 5 miles. No idea how that could be.

Being serious now it does beg the question of "non use" deterioration of the battery.

Is that a thing with EV batteries?

A bit like when you go to use a remote control you haven't used for a while and the batteries have drained through just sitting there doing nothing.

 

[Mo1959]

Being serious now it does beg the question of "non use" deterioration of the battery.

Is that a thing with EV batteries?

A bit like when you go to use a remote control you haven't used for a while and the batteries have drained through just sitting there doing nothing.

I was speaking to one of my neighbours who has one as a work car and he said some of the fleet had suffered from this as they had been left sitting too long. Another reason why I don't think one would make sense for me as I can easily go two or three weeks without using my car.

 

[Drago]

It's easy - plug it into the charger, and program the charger to come on for an hour or two once a week.

E cars end up in that state through neglect, not because there isn't a very easy means of preventing it.

It's not the main battery that's the problem. Most e cars have a second 12v battery, much like a normal car does, and that powers most functions other than the drive, and its that which goes flat. ICE cars suffer identically if they are not used or placed on charger.

The traction batter is fine, a different chemistry, and will hold its charge for months or even years, although its not recommended to do so frequently...which is where plugging it in and programming the charger comes in.

 

[Jameshow]

Being serious now it does beg the question of "non use" deterioration of the battery.

Is that a thing with EV batteries?

A bit like when you go to use a remote control you haven't used for a while and the batteries have drained through just sitting there doing nothing.

Probably if over years, weeks / months I doubt it ..