classic33
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Is that your next electric car?
Are we being forced to go electric?
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Drago
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The big pressing idea wasn't invented by Tesla.
There is no doubt that many of their structural design solutions are clever, andc this is good.
Some are clever for the sake of being clever, which is fine but it costs them money and that cost gets passed to the buyer but with little by way of tangible benefit in exchange.
And some or there solutions are verging on comical.
When Ford dismantled a model S they nearly shat their pants laughing at it. Some of their solutions were the sort of bodge TVR or the like would have come up with as an unavoidable alternative to not having mass production ability. This is why the shut lines can be all over the place, because the design not permit them to make absolutely identical vehicles one after the other. I took a close look at a 3, then then one glance at a Pornstar 2 with its deep paint, clinically consistent shut lines, and general quality of finish that makes Audi drivers sick with envy, and the decision was made instantly.
Even individual fasteners were a different league - Tesla once were imprecisely moulded and had evidence of sprew, the metal ones cheap and unplated, where as the P2 the plastic ones are neat and precise (manufacturered by the same company that moulds fasteners and fittings for Borgh, so good provenance) and few metal fasteners stainless. Its absolute night and day. And they bring it in for less money, or at least wer two years ago when we bought ours before the fi ancial markets went potty.
When it's you're own money - I don't do leases or rent cars on PCP - then You pay very close attention to these details.
The only bits that really impressed the Ford engineers were the cable management and the motor itself, both of which they reckoned were 5 to 10 years ahead of them and they seemed genuinely in awe of that. Did you not see the programme? It was an hour of head scratching at how a company that can do such occasional brilliance then settles with poor design and construction solutions for so much else.
Tesla are ahead on the electrfication front, although that lead is diminishing, yet so wrong one the structural front and production front. The likes of humble old Ford are the opposite and have the latter two but aren't there yet with the first. One day probably well before the decade is out, they'll have that first element down pat as well and Tesla will, sadly to my mind, have squandered a huge opportunity through sheer pig-headedness. Their refusal to concede that car structures should be designed by actuap automotive designers with input from actual automotive engineere and should be designed with production in mind from the outset is bizarre. It might work for iPhone, but they've repeated the same mistakes 4 models running now and show little inclination to change course.
Its their market to lose, and they're going to do just that.
Meanwhile the rivals are making cars just like they always have. Relatively inexpensive, reliable, of acdeltable and consistent quality.
If they were leading the way in vehicle design then inner wings made from 5 different parts bonded and bonded together is a very strange way of showing it. They may know about designing cars, but they're absolute rank amateur at designing them with ease and consistency of mass production in mind. They are genuinely best part of half a century behind in that (Ford's conclusion the programme.)
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cougie uk
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More exciting than an overpriced dodgem though.
Oh I don't know. One of the Tesla's can wave its doors in the air, flash it's lights and play music to accompany it's dance.
You can get EVs that make noise as if it has a noisy engine.
Exciting enough for you ?
classic33
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Which at the start of this year, less than half had been delivered two years after the deal was signed. And they, Hertz, also signed a deal for 50,000 Uber drivers, long term hire, to have access to the same cars.208GT EV
An EV with a motorway range of 120-150 miles.
Charges it up at the most expensive charge points. Smart chap
He could've got a Nissan Leaf 62kW with > 230 miles range. Kona Electric high 200 mile range.
He could have hired a Model 3 or Y from Hertz. My daughter is hiring a Tesla soon in London to travel to Cornwall, the price is cheaper than hiring a VW Polo
Hertz did a $4.2 billion dollar deal for 100,000 vehicles from Tesla.
Drago
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As above, designs Ill suited for mass production, necessitating too much human input, opportunity for inconsistencies in construction.
Drago
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"In many cases the design is so poor I'm surprised no one caught it before it got into production..."
View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj1a8rdX6DU&pp=ygUTVGVzbGEgZm9yZCBlbmdpbmVlcg%3D%3D
Respected engineering consultant dismantles one and analyses it in detail, and concludes Tesla should go back and benchmark their designs against more established manufacturers, the exact opposite of thwt which CXar tells us. Forging their own path is expensive and introducing production difficulties and build quality concerns are baked into the design as a consequence.
As above, he was mighty impressed with the motors and economy of wiring, but not a lot else.
It seems the only people that think Tesla lead the way in vehicle design are Tesla.
View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj1a8rdX6DU&pp=ygUTVGVzbGEgZm9yZCBlbmdpbmVlcg%3D%3D
Respected engineering consultant dismantles one and analyses it in detail, and concludes Tesla should go back and benchmark their designs against more established manufacturers, the exact opposite of thwt which CXar tells us. Forging their own path is expensive and introducing production difficulties and build quality concerns are baked into the design as a consequence.
As above, he was mighty impressed with the motors and economy of wiring, but not a lot else.
It seems the only people that think Tesla lead the way in vehicle design are Tesla.
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DRM
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Li-ion batteries can, and do go into sleep mode if left unused/uncharged for a few months, usually need the manufacturer to connect a laptop & reset it, if left for a several months you risk having to replace cells in the battery
Jameshow
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Sums up Teslas to me!
Hallelujah!! Superb insight, plenty more turns in the road for sure . BTW I do like the Polestar , nice looking car . Another which is not too common as of yet is the Genesis brand. Win for me on looks alone !
Indeed , my bro in law a couple of years back , gave me a small display of some software drop to his Tesla at Christmas . He seemed really excited about flashing lights and windows going up and down roflol . Mind you he is a big Bairn at times !
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No I already have 3 EVs in the family. Next year we'll have 5 over, the move to full family EV ownership.
I thought Fossy might be interested in it, given he expressed interest in the Honda E which has 80 mile range
classic33
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Aren't indicators a legal requirement!
On any motor vehicle.
FishFright
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If you add up the weight of petrol used in a cars lifetime and I'd be very surprised it's less than the batteries
FishFright
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Telsa's build is improving at a rapid rate and legacy manufacturers are still at the stage of cramming batteries into old production methods.
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