Are we being forced to go electric?

[vickster]

We are now going to subsidise an Indian owned Land Rover battery factory

Presumably it will at least provide some taxable employment?

what’s even more baffling is why the Govt should subsidise electric company cars for people who work from home. Surely should be taxed to the hilt not the other way round

 

[Gunk]

Presumably it will at least provide some taxable employment?

They did the same for DeLorean in NI and for Rootes in Linwood, Scotland. Neither ended well, both cost the tax payer millions. I understand why they subsidise these huge businesses, not sure that I am that comfortable with it though, big businesses often take advantage of the tax payers over eagerness to provide employment in these deprived areas.

 

[All uphill]

They did the same for DeLorean in NI and for Rootes in Linwood, Scotland. Neither ended well, both cost the tax payer millions. I understand why they subsidise these huge businesses, not sure that I am that comfortable with it though, big businesses often take advantage of the tax payers over eagerness to provide employment in these deprived areas.

Is Somerset a deprived area?

Can I get a free bicycle for living here? If you tax payers got Thorn to build me a nice tourer it would provide employment in Bridgwater and help me escape this terrible place.

 

[Andy in Germany]

Indeed, why should the taxpayer / other services subsidise private car ownership of any ilk?

You're doing that already.

 

[Andy in Germany]

They did the same for DeLorean in NI and for Rootes in Linwood, Scotland. Neither ended well, both cost the tax payer millions. I understand why they subsidise these huge businesses, not sure that I am that comfortable with it though, big businesses often take advantage of the tax payers over eagerness to provide employment in these deprived areas.

Curiously one of the German states, I think Lower Saxony, owns (or owned) a very large chunk of VW group.

 

[DRM]

Indeed, why should the taxpayer / other services subsidise private car ownership of any ilk?

Nissan in Sunderland? they seem to get funding every few years with threats of closure

 

[lazybloke]

Some friends took their Tesla to Bordeaux last summer, and had a bit of stress planning their route and charging requirements.

Think it was fine, but this looks like a good roadmap for the whole EU: Steps are being taken to ease range anxiety.

 

[Jameshow]

Absolutely, but that wasn't the point being discussed. Without a change in Government policy it will likely be 10 to 20 years before EVs are within reach of everyone. There is a reason that they are cheaper in almost all other countries. Other Governments reduce tax such as VAT, or offer tax incentives. Our Governement couldn't give a monkeys.

Why reduce tax on what has been up till now a item for the middle class club? That's not helping the poor. Just lining the pockets of those with money! They are already subsidised by not paying VED or fuel duty!

 

[cougie uk]

How about the manufacturers dropping their prices. Be a bigger help.

Flick back a page or two and you'll see that prices for second hand EVs have fallen quite a bit.

 

[classic33]

Flick back a page or two and you'll see that prices for second hand EVs have fallen quite a bit.

I was thinking more about the price new, not second hand. Second hand price not being set by the manufacturers.

 

[cougie uk]

I was thinking more about the price new, not second hand. Second hand price not being set by the manufacturers.

Even packs of biscuits are sky high at the moment ! And gotten smaller. Its amazing cars are as cheap as they are - if they were made by Cadburys they'd be 1/3 the size that they were a few years ago and double the price.

 

[classic33]

Even packs of biscuits are sky high at the moment ! And gotten smaller. Its amazing cars are as cheap as they are - if they were made by Cadburys they'd be 1/3 the size that they were a few years ago and double the price.

Who'd touch secondhand biscuits!

 

[the snail]

I was thinking more about the price new, not second hand. Second hand price not being set by the manufacturers.

Pretty much the only manufacturer making a profit on EVs is Tesla (and maybe BYD) so I don't think most of them will be cutting prices, although I think prices will get better over time. There are better ways of helping the least well-off than subsidising cars though imo, e.g. public transport and housing costs.

 

[icowden]

Pretty much the only manufacturer making a profit on EVs is Tesla (and maybe BYD) so I don't think most of them will be cutting prices, although I think prices will get better over time. There are better ways of helping the least well-off than subsidising cars though imo, e.g. public transport and housing costs.

Tesla cut prices last month cutting thousands from the Model 3 and Model Y. This has put pressure on the former ICE manufacturers to do likewise or lose more market share. Tesla have the most advanced car by far. Test drive a few EVs and you will see just how far ahead they are.

 

[CXRAndy]

So what is EV range in winter?






(that's a 40% drop).



Holy heck, "almost zero", 30% or 40%. Take your pick!!!
Clearly we all use our cars very differently, and therefore have very different experiences.

Time for an example: VW report a range of 328 miles for their ID4. If that lost 40% in winter, you'd be looking at sub-200 mile range.

The Nissan Leaf uses or better description doesn't have active temperature control of the battery pack. So has a wider range winter/summer. Tesla and pretty much all others have active temperature control, with heat pump circulating liquid through the battery pack. Giving better consistent range for winter to summer. Preconditioning in winter before settling off sets battery temperature and gives near summer range figures.

You also get a warm car, already defrosted ready to drive soon as you open the door