Are we being forced to go electric?

[icowden]

Petrol stations are a long way off closing as vans and lorries are well behind in uptake of EV so get yourself a diesel in 2029 and your sorted till 2049! 🤣

 

[Buck]

Not really. If you force someone to do something, you give them no choice, no free will.

You are clearly using a different dictionary. Reducing people's choices is not forcing them to do something. Removing people's choices is. At best we can say that people are being strongly encouraged to change.

Ergo you remove people’s choice through financial constraints! Whether you wish to argue that “force” is the correct word is as I say semantics.

I have no point to prove and no need to continue battling over words.

Choices will be made on an individual basis but constrained by national and indeed global dictats and policies

 

[biggs682]

There will be plenty fuel stations around for a long time yet ! I’m not going to worry about that for at least 10-15yrs .

That's how I feel and by that time I could be in a wooden box or a padded cell

 

[dicko]

The BYD Seagull, on sale in China for £8400 with a 190 mile range, surely this is what we need in UK but China isn’t going to export this model here.

 

[Buck]

The BYD Seagull, on sale in China for £8400 with a 190 mile range, surely this is what we need in UK but China isn’t going to export this model here.

I read that today as well. We need more cars like this one and the mooted Tesla2 for those who want a smaller/cheaper EV

 

[fossyant]

Get an ID4 Definite tie fighter vibes when accelerating...

Does it make the noise though. I'd even settle for an X-Wing ?

 

[fossyant]

The BYD Seagull, on sale in China for £8400 with a 190 mile range, surely this is what we need in UK but China isn’t going to export this model here.

Looks ideal TBH.

 

[lazybloke]

Not really. If you force someone to do something, you give them no choice, no free will.

You are clearly using a different dictionary. Reducing people's choices is not forcing them to do something. Removing people's choices is. At best we can say that people are being strongly encouraged to change.

I think you need to show some heart to people who are much less well off than yourself.
They have very much less choice in their ability to pay charges like ULEZ, or to upgrade to newer cars, or to go electric.
PArticularly the low wage drivers, who won't have perks like leasing an EV through salary sacrifice scheme that dodges tax.
Some will literally be priced off the road. Sorry should I have said "strongly encouraged off the road"?

 

[Andy in Germany]

I think you need to show some heart to people who are much less well off than yourself.
They have very much less choice in their ability to pay charges like ULEZ, or to upgrade to newer cars, or to go electric.
PArticularly the low wage drivers, who won't have perks like leasing an EV through salary sacrifice scheme that dodges tax.
Some will literally be priced off the road. Sorry should I have said "strongly encouraged off the road"?

I see your point. However I work with a lot of these people; many live on busy roads with higher pollution because the rent is lower, and so it's their families that get affected by noise and pollution.
Strangely enough the politicians and lobbyists who argue against ULEZ's and EV's on the basis of "What about poor people?" don't mention this. They have also argued against things that would really help poorer people, like reducing city traffic; proper cycle lanes; more buses; trams; metros; et c. In all this time they have shown not a scintilla of interest in lower income people until it became a handy argument against change.

 

[Gunk]

I think you need to show some heart to people who are much less well off than yourself.

I agree, there are rather too many pompous and sanctimonious posts on this thread.

Back in the real world, lots of decent hard working families are really struggling at the moment.

 

[icowden]

I think you need to show some heart to people who are much less well off than yourself.
They have very much less choice in their ability to pay charges like ULEZ, or to upgrade to newer cars, or to go electric.

Absolutely, but that wasn't the point being discussed. Without a change in Government policy it will likely be 10 to 20 years before EVs are within reach of everyone. There is a reason that they are cheaper in almost all other countries. Other Governments reduce tax such as VAT, or offer tax incentives. Our Governement couldn't give a monkeys.

 

[classic33]

Absolutely, but that wasn't the point being discussed. Without a change in Government policy it will likely be 10 to 20 years before EVs are within reach of everyone. There is a reason that they are cheaper in almost all other countries. Other Governments reduce tax such as VAT, or offer tax incentives. Our Governement couldn't give a monkeys.

How about the manufacturers dropping their prices. Be a bigger help.

 

[Gunk]

Absolutely, but that wasn't the point being discussed

Hasn’t stopped plenty of “I’m considerably better off than you” posts though

 

[vickster]

How about the manufacturers dropping their prices. Be a bigger help.

Indeed, why should the taxpayer / other services subsidise private car ownership of any ilk?

 

[Gunk]

Indeed, why should the taxpayer / other services subsidise private car ownership of any ilk?

We are now going to subsidise an Indian owned Land Rover battery factory