My friend who run an ICE thinks the build quality and interior is iffy, he test drove virtually everything and bought the BMW i4.
Are we being forced to go electric?
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My friend who run an ICE thinks the build quality and interior is iffy, he test drove virtually everything and bought the BMW i4.
I think that's a fair comment. The build quality has improved a lot, but some of the interior could do with work.
On the other hand both the 3 and the Y are designed to be "affordable" cars (they aren't in the UK) and not luxury cars like the BMW i4.
I couldn't find out much about the tech in the BMW i4 but I suspect it's still an order of magnitude behind Tesla. And for me it's the tech wot wins it.
Ask all the other countries doing it. Maybe they are experiencing the worlds hottest temperatures and are really moving to get people out of gas guzzlers into machines that will reduce emissions. In other countries these cars aren't for the middle class club. A Tesla 3 in the USA is about £12,000 cheaper than here.
classic33
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Didn't Musk order the price drop so that more of "his vehicles" would be eligible for an EV subisdy(In the US). Thereby maintaining his share of the market?
And generally to sustain growth. But - price drops are good. That still doesn't explain away why Tesla are so expensive in the UK. We are the 10th most expensive place in the world to buy a Tesla.
Toyota are in dire trouble in China. They cant sell their BZ 4X EV, keep reducing price to as low as $19k and they still aren't selling.
They sold only 3000 EVs in 7 months in China.
They have lost 25% of their market share in China in a year
Come 2024, vast majority of Toyota ICE cars wont meet the new emissions levels.
Armageddon looming
They sold only 3000 EVs in 7 months in China.
They have lost 25% of their market share in China in a year
Come 2024, vast majority of Toyota ICE cars wont meet the new emissions levels.
Armageddon looming
fossyant
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Affordable they are not !
That's what happens when you put your fingers in your ears. They decided not to invest and their BZ4X EV isn't exactly blowing away the competition. It's a fairly average SUV which can't compete with a Tesla Y.
Especially when the average household income (excluding pensioners) is £34,000 a year
Designed to be. I agree that they are not yet affordable. Although if you go to some countries they are a lot closer to affordable than here.
cougie uk
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Toyota are in dire trouble in China. They cant sell their BZ 4X EV, keep reducing price to as low as $19k and they still aren't selling.
They sold only 3000 EVs in 7 months in China.
They have lost 25% of their market share in China in a year
Come 2024, vast majority of Toyota ICE cars wont meet the new emissions levels.
Armageddon looming
Perhaps because they were focusing on hydrogen too much?
fossyant
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As they are 'built to a budget', I wonder how well older ones will perform to the old 'rust worms' ?
fossyant
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I think the issue is in the name of their EV, a what ? BZ4X.......ZX Spectrum ?
vickster
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Which would likely mean nothing to the Chinese population (or indeed most of the world's population, certainly inside or outside the UK and under the age of 50)
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