Pale Rider
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Not much, it was relatively cool in the north east, and my draughty Victorian terrace did its usual job of being cooler inside than out.
Are we being forced to go electric?
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Not much, it was relatively cool in the north east, and my draughty Victorian terrace did its usual job of being cooler inside than out.
cougie uk
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Never mind. I'm sure you'll have lots more opportunities in the future to get it.
Alex321
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Of course it is an over-simplification, but it tends to be true as a generalisation, as it becomes harder to make a profit from something due to falling demand.
10-15 years, maybe not. But we can be pretty sure that in 15-20 years, petrol will be available in far fewer outlets, and likely to be much mnore expensive as a result. Diesel may well be more readily available in thaht timescale, as there will be many more ICE trucks around than ICE cars.
Who sees them as the Emperors New Clothes?
And prices are falling all the time. I don't think it will be very long before new prices are comparable to ICE vehicles.
Pale Rider
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Oh, there I was thinking you were inquiring after my welfare during the recent hot weather, when all along you were pursuing a climate change agenda.
Silly me.
My admittedly limited reading and conversations on this matter indicate plenty of motorists can't see the point of paying £20k+ more for something which, in practical use, is no better than an ICE car.
I can't see much evidence to support that statement, but neither did I think 29 EVs would depreciate by 30-odd per cent in six months.
One of the latest EVs is Great Wall Motors' Funky Cat, linked to earlier in the thread.
Nice little car, I'd quite happily run one, even if the 160mile claimed range would cause me occasional problems.
But £32,000 for a small/medium sized hatchback is Alice in Wonderland money.
The car might even be 'worth' the price, but how many people can properly afford to drop £30K+ on a town car?
Another poster appears concerned about climate change.
I suspect we all are.
But if you literally cannot afford an EV, rather than being forced to go electric, you are being forced to do your bit for the planet in other ways.
Alex321
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I would agree with that. But it isn't quite that much more now, and the difference is bound to reduce as production and demand ramps up.
But I don't see how people not seeing the point in paying extra for it makes it "emperors new clothes".
It is. But it isn't £20K more than the petrol equivalent - they don't make one, but if you look at something like the Vauxhall Corsa (one of the few vehicles available in both petrol and fully electric) - £33k for the EV, £19K for the petrol. So "only" 14K extra . Still a lot, but I'm sure that difference will fall.
A year or two ago, the difference would have been the £20K+ that you suggested.
Andy in Germany
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I'm not convinced they're much more than that, although admittedly I'm approaching the idea from a different direction to @Pale Rider (who I hope is staying in the shade and drinking plenty in the hot weather...)
Been hearing stories of my employer , now winding back on the enforced EV only company car policy . They are now allowing hybrids as an option . Too many complaints of range on certain models , the long time scales to wait for the EV . Funnily enough , you can get a Tesla Model 3 ( white only ) anytime ! Not many takers though !
dicko
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If you have an EV and you need to charge it you are going to have to find a working EV charger that’s not occupied. Being interested in EV ownership I joined some EV forums and all of them were saying finding a working charger that’s not occupied was a problem. Unless the charger situation expands rapidly with all these new EVs owners they may be in for a shock.
Jameshow
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I bet there is a large R+D tax in that excess which will come down with time, as manufacturers learn the tech if EV and tech from Tesla and polestar etc despite NDA leaches out into the wider automotive world / patients exchanged on license.
Pale Rider
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Cough, splutter, £33k for a Corsa?
No wonder those cannibal criminals nick stuff off them.
And they will pass all these savings on to the consumer, will they?
No chance, if those savings do come to pass, they will simply be kept by the makers as extra profit.
Not that I blame them for that, they are in the job to make money, not to make the little people feel better about the planet.
Chislenko
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Pun intended?
lazybloke
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Are you comparing like for like?
Ie, does the ev version have the same range as the ice version?
The people without drives or dedicated parking may need to have a much better range than us with drives.
The various lithium ion batteries with traditional electrolytes are gradually reducing in price. But the lauded solid state technology (which is key to addressing range) will initially make today's EVs look cheap!
I take it you are a Daily Mail reader then?
I have one on my drive way. Has worked 100% of the time. Every public charger I have been to (all 7 of them I think now) have been working. On one I had to wait for it to become available (at forest holidays - I just charged the next day instead).
Pale Rider
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Is that the system in the Mercedes prototype which has done 1,000 miles on a charge?
It does look to be a genuine step forward, but it may be killed stone dead by the market if it's hugely more expensive than what we have at present.
Odd question for this thread.
Perhaps you've read some more EV home truths in the Mail.
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