Are we being forced to go electric?

[TheDoctor]

Not practical for 99.9% of people, let alone the price, but what can they do in the future for an 'affordable car'??
I'm sure you all remember that fantastic (ha.... 'fan') run at Goodwood last year

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/mcmurtry-launch-road-legal-version-speirling-fan-car

Looking at used cars (which most people buy, me included), I fired up Autotrader, and searched for electric cars for sale, within two hundred miles, and less than £5000.
43 hits.
Mostly Leafs, the odd Pug ion and Renault Zoe, cheapest was a Mitsubishi i-Miev at £2949, 42 miles away.
Just how affordable do they need to be?

 

[cougie uk]

Looking at used cars (which most people buy, me included), I fired up Autotrader, and searched for electric cars for sale, within two hundred miles, and less than £5000.
43 hits.
Mostly Leafs, the odd Pug ion and Renault Zoe, cheapest was a Mitsubishi i-Miev at £2949, 42 miles away.
Just how affordable do they need to be?

He was talking about the batman style supercar ev.

 

[TheDoctor]

Ah, didn't quite get that.

 

[cougie uk]

Ah, didn't quite get that.

You weren't the only one ! :-)

 

[Jameshow]

Looking at used cars (which most people buy, me included), I fired up Autotrader, and searched for electric cars for sale, within two hundred miles, and less than £5000.
43 hits.
Mostly Leafs, the odd Pug ion and Renault Zoe, cheapest was a Mitsubishi i-Miev at £2949, 42 miles away.
Just how affordable do they need to be?

Ok for city driving with a 60m range but carp for long distance driving.

 

[TheDoctor]

City driving is what most people do, most of the time.

 

[youngoldbloke]

City driving is what most people do, most of the time.

Yes indeed, but it's what we are trying to reduce to make our cities more pleasant and safer to be in.

 

[TheDoctor]

OK. Shortish trips are what most people do. Even with a range as low as 60 miles it covers most of the trips I've done this year.

 

[Richard A Thackeray]

Looking at used cars (which most people buy, me included), I fired up Autotrader, and searched for electric cars for sale, within two hundred miles, and less than £5000.
43 hits.
Mostly Leafs, the odd Pug ion and Renault Zoe, cheapest was a Mitsubishi i-Miev at £2949, 42 miles away.
Just how affordable do they need to be?

Just to remind you


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JYp9eGC3Cc

 

[icowden]

Doesn't seem to be the current plan
https://www.notateslaapp.com/news/7...la-is-working-on-a-dedicated-robotaxi-vehicle.

It does seem to muddy the waters:-

The Robotaxi concept may be traced back to Musk's Master Plan Part Deux, which was published in 2016. Musk said at the time that the company's Robotaxis will be normal Teslas with full self-driving capability. This concept was expanded upon during Autonomy Day 2019, when it was suggested that Tesla owners would use their personal vehicles to provide ride-sharing services.

This raises some questions about whether current Teslas will be able to reach the same level of autonomy as this dedicated Robotaxi, or whether they'd be able to become Robotaxis at all.

Many people presumed that the reason the Tesla 3 has an internal camera monitoring the passengers was in preparation for robotaxiing.

 

[icowden]

Ok for city driving with a 60m range but carp for long distance driving.

True. In a few years time the longer range cars will start to appear at those prices. Average range for an EV now is over 250 miles I think whereas in 2015 it was less than 100.

 

[classic33]

It does seem to muddy the waters:-

Many people presumed that the reason the Tesla 3 has an internal camera monitoring the passengers was in preparation for robotaxiing.

The link is from last year, but references aa planned vehicle design from 2016.

 

[DRM]

It does seem to muddy the waters:-

Many people presumed that the reason the Tesla 3 has an internal camera monitoring the passengers was in preparation for robotaxiing.

That'll be for those dodgy videos that are allegedly available, there may be a queue for potential Robodrivers.....plus more cleaning too

 

[Pale Rider]

Looking at used cars (which most people buy, me included), I fired up Autotrader, and searched for electric cars for sale, within two hundred miles, and less than £5000.
43 hits.
Mostly Leafs, the odd Pug ion and Renault Zoe, cheapest was a Mitsubishi i-Miev at £2949, 42 miles away.
Just how affordable do they need to be?

I wonder what the depreciation is on those cars, compared to ICE equivalents.

Rightly or wrongly, used car buyers are very wary of the longevity of batteries.

A five or six-year-old EV with a tired battery would be next worthless.

A new battery pack would be thousands, always assuming you could still get one.

Looking on the bright side, at least the scrap value of an EV ought to higher than an ICE car thanks to all the semi-precious metal.

 

[icowden]

I wonder what the depreciation is on those cars, compared to ICE equivalents.

Much much better. EVs are currently holding their value significantly better than ICE equivalents. A Tesla X uses 43% of value in three years. A hyundai Ioniq 48% over three years. Tesla 3 40%

Rightly or wrongly, used car buyers are very wary of the longevity of batteries.

It's wrongly. Definitely wrongly.

A five or six-year-old EV with a tired battery would be next worthless.

A 2018 Hyundai Ioniq will cost you are £12,500. A tesla X or S (2017) £50k to 64k. A 2016 Nissan leaf £10k. A 2011 Nissan Leaf 3k. A 2017 Renault Zoe - £8-9k.
How do you define a "tired battery"? The Ioniq I quoted as 50k mileson the clock. A leaf for 9k has 141k miles on the clock.

A new battery pack would be thousands, always assuming you could still get one.

Why would you need one? How often do you replace the engine in your ICE car?

Looking on the bright side, at least the scrap value of an EV ought to higher than an ICE car thanks to all the semi-precious metal.

Nothing to do with that. Those battery packs can be reconditioned and reused for other purposes such as power storage.

There are only bright sides.