Are we being forced to go electric?

[classic33]

Those on low incomes can't afford anything but cars which are older, leggy and potentially in need of various expensive repairs now.

By the time such cars are no longer viable, 2nd hand EVs will not be costing much more.

But, as was pointed out back in the thread, the older charging sockets/leads have or are being phased out. How much to change the socket on the vehicle to one in use. Is it even commercially viable to do?

 

[icowden]

Your assertion that you need a car but millions of others do not is ludicrous.

That's lucky then that I didn't make that assertion. Looking forward to you providing the quote to back that up.

 

[icowden]

But, as was pointed out back in the thread, the older charging sockets/leads have or are being phased out. How much to change the socket on the vehicle to one in use. Is it even commercially viable to do?

You don't need to change the socket. Just put an adapter on the end of the cable.

 

[Richard A Thackeray]

Source for that 99.9% ? Or is it a brexit level guess?

Just a figure plucked out of the air, at the surmised cost of it

 

[icowden]

Not practical for 99.9% of people, let alone the price, but what can they do in the future for an 'affordable car'??

In the future EVs will be affordable.

When I was young in the early 80s my dad had a hifi separates system that he had spent a lot of money on (probably thousands in todays money). In the mid 80s I got my first computer - the BBC B, which again was not cheap (About £1600 in todays money). By the time we got to the mid 1990s, you could buy a good all in one hifi system for a few hundred pounds. And these days you can buy something with more computing power than my BBC B for less than a tenner at a car boot sale, or a basic budget level windows PC for a couple of hundred pounds.

 

[cougie uk]

In the future EVs will be affordable.

When I was young in the early 80s my dad had a hifi separates system that he had spent a lot of money on (probably thousands in todays money). In the mid 80s I got my first computer - the BBC B, which again was not cheap (About £1600 in todays money). By the time we got to the mid 1990s, you could buy a good all in one hifi system for a few hundred pounds. And these days you can buy something with more computing power than my BBC B for less than a tenner at a car boot sale, or a basic budget level windows PC for a couple of hundred pounds.

For the second time now. The 99.9% was talking about the batman style EV supercar. Not normal EVs.

 

[Scottish Scrutineer]

They need to get the laws sorted regarding leccy scooters and such . Those imo are game changers for commuting back and forward on public transport . Fold down and stow away , yes get the same with a bike but these are dead simple and quick to move around on .

The problem isn't really the electric scooters, its the selfish attitude of those who use them with little or no regard for others.
Recently in two Spanish Cities, Barcelona and Girona, with quite a few micro-scooters being used and very little conflict between users of different modes of transport. Granted, both have reasonably extensive cycle paths and segregated routes, but even where scooters and pedestrians were co-existing, there was little issue. In fact, even car drivers were noticeably less aggressive and were considerate of other road users.

 

[MrGrumpy]

The problem isn't really the electric scooters, its the selfish attitude of those who use them with little or no regard for others.
Recently in two Spanish Cities, Barcelona and Girona, with quite a few micro-scooters being used and very little conflict between users of different modes of transport. Granted, both have reasonably extensive cycle paths and segregated routes, but even where scooters and pedestrians were co-existing, there was little issue. In fact, even car drivers were noticeably less aggressive and were considerate of other road users.

It’s a fair point , the segregation is key I suppose . Seville is similar , city centre is car free more or less . So it’s trams or scooters/bikes . Seems to work ? I’d imagine here stuff would get destroyed/stolen . Seems to be the way, where as over there attitudes different ?

 

[Mike_P]

Hydro powered charger https://thestrayferret.co.uk/knares...trys-first-water-powered-ev-charging-station/

 

[HMS_Dave]

But that's part of the intent. Model 3 Teslas are set up to be robotaxis for example. The aim of this is that when Tesla finally get the Tesla to be full autonomous they will have a ready fleet of cars that owners can choose to monetise. If you aren't using the car between 9am and 5pm you can get it to go out and earn a crust as a taxi. Robotaxis should be a lot cheaper to use than conventional taxis (at least until the AI unionises and insists on holidays and sick pay).

It all sounds great in your head but in reality you're never going to do it are you?

Piss heads being sick all over the inside, vandal damage, human excrement in the glove box, advanced thieves stripping it for it's valuable components and don't go on about theft proofing and tracking because all of these can and are already able to be mitigated. You know this is the real world, people do this sort of thing...

It's one thing a full time business sending out a fleet of these to operate as a taxi who are able to employ a team of cleaners and security, but as a personal vehicle going out "earning a crust" i think this would be mistake and i strongly doubt many would spend big money on a Tesla and let it go about with rando's in it.

 

[cougie uk]

It all sounds great in your head but in reality you're never going to do it are you?

Piss heads being sick all over the inside, vandal damage, human excrement in the glove box, advanced thieves stripping it for it's valuable components and don't go on about theft proofing and tracking because all of these can and are already able to be mitigated. You know this is the real world, people do this sort of thing...

It's one thing a full time business sending out a fleet of these to operate as a taxi who are able to employ a team of cleaners and security, but as a personal vehicle going out "earning a crust" i think this would be mistake and i strongly doubt many would spend big money on a Tesla and let it go about with rando's in it.

Surely you'd only be allowed into the car once they've got your credit card details. So if you mess it up - you pay.
A bit like air b n b ? Letting random people into your property? That seems to work most of the time anyway?

 

[HMS_Dave]

Surely you'd only be allowed into the car once they've got your credit card details. So if you mess it up - you pay.
A bit like air b n b ? Letting random people into your property? That seems to work most of the time anyway?

A criminal is unlikely to use their own card, maybe a stolen one. The value of the components of a Tesla makes a quick export and strip down of the vehicle a very juicy prospect.

 

[DRM]

It all sounds great in your head but in reality you're never going to do it are you?

Piss heads being sick all over the inside, vandal damage, human excrement in the glove box, advanced thieves stripping it for it's valuable components and don't go on about theft proofing and tracking because all of these can and are already able to be mitigated. You know this is the real world, people do this sort of thing...

It's one thing a full time business sending out a fleet of these to operate as a taxi who are able to employ a team of cleaners and security, but as a personal vehicle going out "earning a crust" i think this would be mistake and i strongly doubt many would spend big money on a Tesla and let it go about with rando's in it.

This is actually a very good point, and sums up the UK quite accurately, you've only got to see how city centre hire bikes/scooters get treated to realise that in Britain it's a non starter, fancy having do drag your pride & joy back after one trip to clean human waste of all types out of it, yeugh even driven taxis aren't immune to it

 

[classic33]

But that's part of the intent. Model 3 Teslas are set up to be robotaxis for example. The aim of this is that when Tesla finally get the Tesla to be full autonomous they will have a ready fleet of cars that owners can choose to monetise. If you aren't using the car between 9am and 5pm you can get it to go out and earn a crust as a taxi. Robotaxis should be a lot cheaper to use than conventional taxis (at least until the AI unionises and insists on holidays and sick pay).

Doesn't seem to be the current plan
https://www.notateslaapp.com/news/7...la-is-working-on-a-dedicated-robotaxi-vehicle.

 

[Mike_P]

Better competition from Auto trader this month - win an e208
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/cars/electric/giveaway