Are we being forced to go electric?

[DRM]

Why would it come back wrecked? That's what the camera is for. I would imagine that Tesla will have their own app and when registering you will have to provide a card that allows them to draw a hefty damage deposit if you aren't well behaved. Don't forget it can also alert the owner if there is an issue and call the police if needed.

This is Britain, there’s places driven taxis don’t like going, never mind full of unaccompanied p*ss heads, which is where the money is made, Friday & Saturday nights, if you think you’re going to get reimbursement from some of the residents of the dumps round Leeds as an example, you’re deluded, you can stick a piece of tape over the camera too you know

 

[vickster]

But you're assuming that the separate Tesla Taxi has been shelved. Having seen drawings of the various internal layouts planned, I very much doubt they have.

The "soiling charge" is usually set by the licencing department, not the owner.
Would you be required to register as a taxi owner-operator I wonder?

Presumably you’d need some sort of liability insurance in case your personally owned self driving taxi crashed and injured or killed the paying customers?
All those software updates Tesla and others already push to EVs don’t fill me with a lot of confidence around self driving cars which will presumably rely on reliable bug free software?

 

[icowden]

This is Britain, there’s places driven taxis don’t like going, never mind full of unaccompanied p*ss heads, which is where the money is made, Friday & Saturday nights, if you think you’re going to get reimbursement from some of the residents of the dumps round Leeds as an example, you’re deluded, you can stick a piece of tape over the camera too you know

Or you can just decided what hours your car should work and in what geographic locations. I suspect that some of the residents of the dumps around Leeds wouldn't pass the credit check to be able to summon one in the first place.

 

[icowden]

Presumably you’d need some sort of liability insurance in case your personally owned self driving taxi crashed and injured or killed the paying customers?
All those software updates Tesla and others already push to EVs don’t fill me with a lot of confidence around self driving cars which will presumably rely on reliable bug free software?

One of delightful things about EV sceptics is that there is a website that tries to track every Tesla accident from around the world that involves a death. It tells us that in 10 years there have been 127 deaths of the driver and 58 of the passenger in 322 crashes regardless of fault. 45 of those have been attributed to autopilot. No such data exists for any other manufacturer. That's 322 crashes out of 4 million plus Tesla's on the road.

Of course they are still a long way off achieving proper full self-drive despite Musk's repeated assurances. They are also a long way ahead of most other car manufacturers.

 

[classic33]

Or you can just decided what hours your car should work and in what geographic locations. I suspect that some of the residents of the dumps around Leeds wouldn't pass the credit check to be able to summon one in the first place.

No worse than anywhere else in the UK.

Now how about we leave the insults out of the thread.

 

[classic33]

One of delightful things about EV sceptics is that there is a website that tries to track every Tesla accident from around the world that involves a death. It tells us that in 10 years there have been 127 deaths of the driver and 58 of the passenger in 322 crashes regardless of fault. 45 of those have been attributed to autopilot. No such data exists for any other manufacturer. That's 322 crashes out of 4 million plus Tesla's on the road.

Of course they are still a long way off achieving proper full self-drive despite Musk's repeated assurances. They are also a long way ahead of most other car manufacturers.

Tesla say they've produced 1.91 million vehicles, since 2009.

 

[SpokeyDokey]

One of delightful things about EV sceptics is that there is a website that tries to track every Tesla accident from around the world that involves a death. It tells us that in 10 years there have been 127 deaths of the driver and 58 of the passenger in 322 crashes regardless of fault. 45 of those have been attributed to autopilot. No such data exists for any other manufacturer. That's 322 crashes out of 4 million plus Tesla's on the road.

Of course they are still a long way off achieving proper full self-drive despite Musk's repeated assurances. They are also a long way ahead of most other car manufacturers.

Thinking this through...

... in the absence of data from any other manufacturer, and all things being equal re accident cause regardless of make or type of vehicle; that says to me that Tesla cars have killed 45 more deaths than other manufacturers would, simply because they were using autopilot.

 

[HMS_Dave]

Why would it come back wrecked? That's what the camera is for. I would imagine that Tesla will have their own app and when registering you will have to provide a card that allows them to draw a hefty damage deposit if you aren't well behaved. Don't forget it can also alert the owner if there is an issue and call the police if needed.

There are cars that are nicked now. Which has trackers, self alerting police systems and camera's and they're still nicked and never found. Credit card checks are one of the easiest systems to defeat by professional criminals. These security measures are reactive not proactive. Thieves are always one step ahead...

Or you can just decided what hours your car should work and in what geographic locations. I suspect that some of the residents of the dumps around Leeds wouldn't pass the credit check to be able to summon one in the first place.

Again, this is easy for criminals to defeat. They'll have an address book full of stolen identities.

No more than that dodgy banger where the alternator fails, the battery won't charge and has a radiator and oil leak.

The difference being a "dodgy banger" wont have a $15,000 battery replacement requirement. An alternator failure, 12v lead acid battery or radiator leak is an extremely cheap fix in comparison.

Or you can just decided what hours your car should work and in what geographic locations.

I just don't think anybody who invests this sort of money will want it to be used as a Taxi. My dad owned and ran a taxi business years ago. I know all of the stories and all of what goes on and the mileage will also soon rack up, wear and tear will soon take it's toll and you'll be replacing tyres, brakes, ball joints, wishbones, bushes, interior trim, windscreens etc in no time. I think these are reasonable things to replace if you use your car as a "robotaxi" business but as your own vehicle with a limited mileage warranty which includes the monstrously expensive battery, i don't think this "pro" reason to own an EV Tesla that can make you money on the side is actually a "pro"...And for arguments sake, One of his fleet cars, a 5 year old Peugeot 309 1.9d had 420,000 miles on the clock before he got rid of it, which is only averaged at 230 miles a day. So even if you let your Tesla be a "robotaxi" for 50 miles a day which isn't much of a Taxi, that is going to be nearly 92000 miles in 5 years. Suddenly, your 8 year, 100,000 mile battery warranty isn't looking so good and will definitely affect the resale value of your car.

 

[Jameshow]

No worse than anywhere else in the UK.

Now how about we leave the insults out of the thread.

He was talking about 10 miles to the west of Leeds ..!🤣🤣🤣

 

[classic33]

He was talking about 10 miles to the west of Leeds ..!🤣🤣🤣

That wouldn't be a suburb of Leeds.

 

[cougie uk]

No worse than anywhere else in the UK.

Now how about we leave the insults out of the thread.

Tbf It was DRM that brought Leeds into the conversation.

 

[Pale Rider]

Depreciation of EVs is not quite as low as some on here would have us believe.

In the last six months newer EVs have lost a startling one third of their value, and 29 of the 30 fastest depreciating cars were EVs.

In comparison, ICE cars lost just one percent or less of their value.

That makes for a very risky overall market for the private punter spending his own money.

For older EVs battery longevity remains a real problem.

Manufacturers typically offer five to eight years of warranty, and most experts agree you may be on borrowed time much over 100,000 miles.

An EV with little or no battery warranty cannot be worth much, given a replacement battery pack could be £5,000-£10,000.

Also worth noting ever faster charging thrashes the battery, further reducing its service life.

https://www.standard.co.uk/tech/why-electric-car-prices-dropping-b1085646.html

 

[Jameshow]

Indeed battery usage and charging hygiene will become the new FSH...

 

[icowden]

Tesla say they've produced 1.91 million vehicles, since 2009.

Up until 2021 yes. There are two more years of sales to add on, and production is increasing.

 

[Mike_P]

Re the battery life issue I would expect the swappable battery system to come to the fore subject to manufactures agreeing on standard sizes, voltages etc. Maybe not universally as a way of charging (the system that exists simply swops the battery out for a fully charged one) but as a way of easily replacing a battery.