Grant Fondo
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Really? What about folk with mobility issues who may need a carer to get out and about and car is only practical solution?
I had a car when i lived in both Brixton and Hammersmith, there's no law against it
Are we being forced to go electric?
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Really? What about folk with mobility issues who may need a carer to get out and about and car is only practical solution?
I had a car when i lived in both Brixton and Hammersmith, there's no law against it
vickster
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Or carers who may live in a London Borough and need access to a car to do their job. Or any other myriad people who need a car for their employment within London. As an anecdotal example, I have a friend who works for the NHS and she is obliged by her contract to have a car so she can travel between sites (she has to provide the car, but can claim mileage) .
Maybe he meant there was no point in him personally having a car when he lived in the green and leafy outer London Boroughs
vickster
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How does she hover?
biggs682
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No - I meant that for the VAST MAJORITY of people there is no point in owning a car if you live in London.
If you want to spend your life making Socratean arguments and pointing out every possible exception, then go ahead.
Usually we talk about the majority use case not tiny exceptions. Yes, there will be a small number of disabled people - who get exempted from things like ULEZ and have blue badges. Then there are builders and plumbers. Not sure why carers need cars unless it's to transport the elderly. London has a 24/7 transport system.
And she works for the NHS in central London?
FishFright
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Imaginary, single situation exceptions are all that those unable to imagine a future that's not exactly the same as the present and worse than than their imaginary pasts.
It's pointless time filling on their part so best not waste too much of your time on them.
Jameshow
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On her broom stuck obvs!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🧹🧹🧹
Andy in Germany
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That just amounts to a reduction in state subsidies for parking for the most polluting vehicles.
Andy in Germany
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I work with the poorest in society; most can't afford a driving licence, let alone a car.
Originally I started cycling because I couldn't afford a car, and never looked back.
Absolutely, this idea that the whole of society are going to adopt electric cars is a complete fantasy.
cougie uk
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Well eventually the petrol won't be on sale so all cars will be electric.
Prices will come down.
Just going electric isn't going to mean free cars for everyone though and nor should it.
Walking cycling and public transport should still be the first thought.
Andy in Germany
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I agree with you. I've seen enough people far smarter than me suggesting it's impossible to replace all vehicles on a 1:1 basis. There are lots of reasons to be sceptical about electric/hydrogen vehicles; their hidden environmental cost, questionable safety, impractical construction, and the fact that they won't resolve many of the problems their supporters claim.
I think it's irrelevant to criticise electric cars on the basis that they will be beyond the means of poorer people. Electric cars will be insignificant to anyone on the poverty line, because they don't have access to a car now.
On the other hand, politicians, media and lobbyists adverse to change will like this argument, because it sounds caring and avoids the elephant in the room*, namely that we need to change our cities and lifestyles, not our propulsion systems.
*Not that I'm accusing @Gunk of using it for this reason.
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