Are we being forced to go electric?

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CXRAndy

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classic33 said:
List of a few parts shared with other manufacturer's.
https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a16570798/tesla-model-s-parts-other-cars-have/
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The article is from 2018. Tesla model S went on the road around 2013. Yes the early cars had used, proven tech to make their cars, but since the release of the Model 3 in 2017/18, Tesla are far more vertically integrated.

Their hardware computers were intel, then AMD, now their making their own.

Same with many components. Batteries are made by Panasonic and CATL.

Tesla compared to many manufacturers are far more in house- a bit like Apple but for cars, which considering how many components are in a vehicle is quite something, not like making a phone.
 
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icowden said:
Fair enough.

Agreed.

You don't have to do a huge mileage. Car prices are on their way down. Tesla is putting the pressure on.

Not really.

Yes, and none of those precious metals are used in ICE cars, your phone and computer. Yadda yadda yadda. Battery tech is improving and precious metal usage will reduce.

I had a 10 year old Renault Scenic which drank Diesel. It used to cost me £100 to fill up. I now have a clean ID4 which costs me £6.22 to refuel. My fuel bill is reduced from about £2600 per year to about £646 per year. Over the 4 years of the lease, I will save £8,000 on fuel costs (or thereabouts depending on electricity prices). I can also drive in ULEZ zones without charge (which is nice). Over 10 years, that car will be £20,000 cheaper to run than a Diesel for the same mileage. It's far safer and much nicer to drive. Visibility is excellent.

For me there is no contest.

Yes. I think it was led by Germany where a number of ICE Car manufacturers are based. It's like there's some sort of connection.

True. But the market is also king and any hesitant ICE vendor will get steamrollered by the EV giants.
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Thanks, really interesting to see some actual savings figures on elec versus traditional fuels. Even if EV charging had full VAT applied it would still be a massive "fuel" cost saving.

Although any actual savings would be a calculation that included all your leasing costs, and I was utterly horrified by some of the ev leasing quotes when my dad sold his hybrid and went full ev.
 
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Costs have increased, due to many factors, demand now is driving up pricing.

It was only a few years ago you could get a Model 3 long range for a little over £300 a month.
 
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CXRAndy said:
Costs have increased, due to many factors, demand now is driving up pricing.

It was only a few years ago you could get a Model 3 long range for a little over £300 a month.
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I said ALL lease costs had to be considered, eg initial lease payment, fees, any mileage charges, etc. Your rounded-down figure from "a few years ago" sounds like the kind of evasive nonsense I'd expect from a dodgy salesman!

I got a lease price from vanorama; 4 years , new Tesla Model 3 AWD (Long Range). Servicing and breakdown are covered, and a useful 12,000 miles a year, but the total cost is £38K over 4 years which averages out at £800 a month.


Seems like a lot, but I guess £38K to have 4 years use of a £52K car is acceptable to many.
I prefer long-term ownership, which has the much larger upfront cost, but lower TCO.

Am not sure my approach will be viable with EVs if thy continue to be more expensive than an equivalent ICE, whilst potentially not providing the same reliability and longevity. POtentially that makes leasing more attractive, and yet more expensive than ever!
 
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Even with current financial climate, there appears to be no slow down in EV adoption.

Perhaps Putin ought to consider them for his dwindling armoury :laugh:
 
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Market penetration of evs will be fastest for those with off-street charging. The rest will be dependent on the deployment of kerbside chargers, which can only be a limiting factor.
The Cost of living crisis will affect many, too.
 
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I see that we have some new rules to obey or face a £100 fine. Running out of juice⚡in EVs apparently is quite common and liquid powered ones are high as well due to less frequent visits to the garages for fuel. Germany has the fines for causing delays in traffic (normal not having winter tyres)
 
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Sallar55 said:
Running out of juice⚡in EVs apparently is quite common
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That really baffles me. I find reading my power level far easier than reading a fuel gauge and the car practically insists on taking me to a charger once I'm getting low on juice. If I'm going a long way, it builds in charging stops, and if I really need to I can switch into eco mode, slow down etc. The lowest charge I have ever returned home with was 7% which works out to 20 miles or so.

EV breakdowns for running out of charge are at about 4% compared to about 28% of ICE breakdowns for petrol/diesel. Most EV breakdowns are tyre issues.
https://www.lv.com/insurance/press/electric-car-breakdowns

Finally, I have managed to put petrol in a diesel before now, but I have never put the wrong type of electricity into my EV...
 
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cougie uk

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lazybloke said:
Thanks, really interesting to see some actual savings figures on elec versus traditional fuels. Even if EV charging had full VAT applied it would still be a massive "fuel" cost saving.

Although any actual savings would be a calculation that included all your leasing costs, and I was utterly horrified by some of the ev leasing quotes when my dad sold his hybrid and went full ev.
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It gets even better if you have solar panels. My car's been running in sunshine almost the whole week.
 
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