Are we being forced to go electric?

[Alex321]

Not sure how true this is but just been reading an article where a non Tesla repair centre wanted to buy a new Tesla drive unit due to the old one failing , but it reads like you have to get Tesla to supply and fit.

Has anyone any experience of getting Tesla's repaired outside of the Tesla repair centres?

I believe that would be illegal in this country.

 

[biggs682]

I believe that would be illegal in this country.

I thought as much due to the 10 year supply rule , but they will supply but only to there own workshops not others

 

[Alex321]

I thought as much due to the 10 year supply rule , but they will supply but only to there own workshops not others

It is the Motor Vehicle Block Exemption Regulations which define the requirements. And basically, using rather a lot of text, those regulations say that the technical and vehicle information must be made available to independent repairers and spare parts manufacturers, and that sale of spare parts should not be restricted to "authorised" repairers.

Those regulations expire next month, but the review has recommended they be retained with some changes.
https://assets.publishing.service.g...emption_Regulation_final_recommendation__.pdf

 

[mustang1]

Mine has a starwars like whine as you whack the accelerator to the floor and feel the G force... !

I'm not a big fan of said whine. I don't mind too much but I could do without it. Is there an option to switch it off?

 

[figbat]

I'm not a big fan of said whine. I don't mind too much but I could do without it. Is there an option to switch it off?

On mine, there is an artificial noise generated externally at low speeds for pedestrian awareness - this is mandatory. At higher speeds this goes away and the only noises are general NVH, such as tyres, wind etc. If I pin it I can just about make out the whine of the reduction gearset but only during the hardest acceleration, so perhaps a couple of seconds most in any given time.

I had a go in a colleague's car where there was a user-selectable interior noise generator, for no other reason than becuse they can (just like some ICE cars use fake engine/exhaust noise pumped through the audio system).

 

[CXRAndy]

I'm not a big fan of said whine. I don't mind too much but I could do without it. Is there an option to switch it off?

At slow speed the vehicles are silent, I mean ultra quiet,. Leaving an housing estate in the morning is fantastic, no disturbance. The regs now require a noise generated at slow speeds to alert, inattentive pedestrians. Once on the open road hard acceleration would mean you can hear the motors whizz a little- nothing annoying. Once cruising speed is reached the car will only make tyre noise, which is by far the greatest noise on any vehicle

 

[icowden]

I'm not a big fan of said whine. I don't mind too much but I could do without it. Is there an option to switch it off?

I think the whine is the electric motors rather than anything artificial. It's very soft, but you do hear it under hard acceleration when you need to put an Audi driver in their place.

 

[DRM]

I had a go in a colleague's car where there was a user-selectable interior noise generator, for no other reason than becuse they can (just like some ICE cars use fake engine/exhaust noise pumped through the audio system).

That would be cool to have the Vulcan Howl on request, make dozy pedestrians think WW3 had broken out

 

[Jameshow]

I think the whine is the electric motors rather than anything artificial. It's very soft, but you do hear it under hard acceleration when you need to put an Audi driver in their place.

Not a status symbol then?!

 

[mustang1]

I think the whine is the electric motors rather than anything artificial. It's very soft, but you do hear it under hard acceleration when you need to put an Audi driver in their place.

Taycans have this artificial sound (option) and I suppose you might want something like that in such a car but then I started hearing it in other cars (I think it was Hyundai or Leaf?) and figured it was rather odd to add sound to something so quiet and calm.

Anyway, if I had a Taycan, I would not opt for that sound.

Edit: or any BEV!

 

[Gunk]

She's lucky to get 220 miles

From EV database

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She drives way faster than speed limits. It's the lack of charging and her last minute arrival for most events, that ruins the experience.

I did suggest Model S but again she wouldn't factor in some charging period

Do you work for Tesla?

 

[FishFright]

Do you work for Tesla?

Imagine knowing things eh ?

 

[the snail]

Have you not seen that Tesla was the best selling car in Europe for Q1 2023. They're sacrificing profits for market share. Considering they're probably the only car maker of EVs actually making a profit per car and its a decent profit margin too.

They can afford to reduce prices, increase sales, crush the legacy makers, who are loss making per EV vehicle they sell.

This is backed by announcements of extra production shifts in Germany.

Stellenatis (SP) are floundering, complaining and will likely out of business by 2030

Yep. Tesla has billions in the bank, no debts and makes a profit on each car. The legacy brands have little cash, up to their eyeballs in debt and can't make a profit on EVs. Ford reportedly makes a loss of 20k on every EV it sells. Tesla can afford to cut prices to build market share, and in difficult times put it's foot on the throats of it's competitors. I think we will see some big legacy brands go bust sooner rather than later.

 

[CXRAndy]

Yep. Tesla has billions in the bank, no debts and makes a profit on each car. The legacy brands have little cash, up to their eyeballs in debt and can't make a profit on EVs. Ford reportedly makes a loss of 20k on every EV it sells. Tesla can afford to cut prices to build market share, and in difficult times put it's foot on the throats of it's competitors. I think we will see some big legacy brands go bust sooner rather than later.

Analysts are saying that there maybe be as little as 10 manufacturers of vehicles worldwide in little as 7-10 years. This is mainly due to legacy brands struggling to break into the EV market in any substantive impact.

Tesla are repositioning themselves with a possible future plant in Mexico for new models. Tesla announced their earning for China, and being better than analysts expectations will diversify away from China, reduce their reliance on the Chinese market- with it being so competitive. They see greater, stable growth in the USA and Europe.

 

[the snail]

I think they will struggle, Tesla and the chinese companies have a lead on technology, better integration with battery technology and start from a clean sheet. Companies like Toyota have to play catch-up and build their EV business, while sustaining the ICE business where they make some profits, but which is in terminal decline, and service a pile of debt. I don't think anyone will want an ICE by 2030. I wouldn't buy one new now. If I buy another ICE, it will be a cheap 2nd hand stop-gap until I can get a cheap BYD, model 2 etc.