Are we being forced to go electric?

[DRM]

So give an example. How far from Newcastle? What distribution of jobs and how many? Calculate the mileage involved.
I suspect you will find that you don't need a van that can drive 500 miles without refuelling.

From West Yorks to Site (East side of Newcastle) around 220 miles round trip, don't necessarily have other jobs near, so next nearest was near the airport in this instance, so reasonably close, grand total of just shy 260 miles, current van does 600+ miles per tank.
Jobs don't drop close to each other, some days you have no choice but to do the miles, some sites can be 5 Miles away and have a days worth of work, swings & roundabouts

 

[FishFright]

I can't afford one, whether or not other people can does not affect my own circumstances.....

If the majority of car buyers (new or used) can afford an EV then maybe I am an outlier as your post suggests.

The problem is once the rule changes really start to kick in you won't be able to afford to run an ICE, or drive them in cites and larger towns so you had better get saving.

Or even better adjust your lifestyles accordingly. But that is of course a joke because that's not going to happen is it.

 

[FishFright]

Had the JWs knock on the door earlier, think I'd prefer a debate with the JW rather than the EV evangelists on here!! 🤣🤣🤣

You don't have to worry about facts with JW's and ICE cars, having faith is the point.

 

[cougie uk]

Wrong, average per day across 12 months, some days local most days in excess of 200

So you find time for a coffee and or a charge on the longer days. Even buying the coffee you'll still be saving on fuel.

 

[Jameshow]

The problem is once the rule changes really start to kick in you won't be able to afford to run an ICE, or drive them in cites and larger towns so you had better get saving.

Or even better adjust your lifestyles accordingly. But that is of course a joke because that's not going to happen is it.

Why will you not be able to afford to run an ice?

Taxes have never been retrospective and commercial vehicles are way behind private vehicles in take up so fuel will be around for decades!

 

[FishFright]

Why will you not be able to afford to run an ice?

Taxes have never been retrospective and commercial vehicles are way behind private vehicles in take up so fuel will be around for decades!

Fuel prices at the pump will rocket, "road tax" will rocket . This will be the sticks they use to drive ICE's for domestic use off the road.

 

[biggs682]

Fuel prices at the pump will rocket, "road tax" will rocket . This will be the sticks they use to dry ICE's for domestic use off the road.

And prices of ev's will plummet so average person in the street can afford one ........

 

[FishFright]

And prices of ev's will plummet so average person in the street can afford one ........

Yes they will, basic economics.

 

[Mo1959]

I think it will be a long time before there’s no longer ICE vehicles. What about all the people with relatively new motor homes. If they are well looked after, they can last for 20 plus years.

 

[FishFright]

I think it will be a long time before there’s no longer ICE vehicles. What about all the people with relatively new motor homes. If they are well looked after, they can last for 20 plus years.

They will be worthless in a decade.

All the Arab petroleum states are hurriedly realigning there economy because they know what is coming and they wouldn't be doing that if supply was assured.

Also crude oil is a valuable feedstock for so many things that in a decade or two it will look silly to be burning it just to move a few miles.

Battery tech has already enabled the switch over to ICEs .

The writing has been on the wall for decades, no one can really be surprised.

 

[cougie uk]

I think it will be a long time before there’s no longer ICE vehicles. What about all the people with relatively new motor homes. If they are well looked after, they can last for 20 plus years.

I'm sure they will be around for a good while but fuel will be a lot more expensive and garages fewer.

 

[Jameshow]

Fuel prices at the pump will rocket, "road tax" will rocket . This will be the sticks they use to drive ICE's for domestic use off the road.

Why road tax has never gone up for second hand vehicles so why should it now?

Fuel will still be same price as commercial vehicles will still use it!

 

[youngoldbloke]

Any thoughts on how the tax revenue from sales of petrol and diesel will be replaced? Will electricity used to charge EV's become more expensive?

 

[icowden]

Fuel will still be same price as commercial vehicles will still use it!

A lot of big companies are now looking at electric trucks. The investment recoups surprisingly quickly and there are many advantages.

 

[cougie uk]

Why road tax has never gone up for second hand vehicles so why should it now?

Fuel will still be same price as commercial vehicles will still use it!

Less demand. Fuel prices will definitely go up.

Emissions tax will definitely be a thing.