Are we being forced to go electric?

[vickster]

Teeny tiny battery Vs huge battery?
What is the battery range of the phev ?

Dunno, you implied a PHEV should be more than an EV as more parts etc are needed for the former. That’s not the case with the Niro

 

[fossyant]

It's çalled idling fees. Tesla charge £1 per min overstay charge

Wowsers £1 a minute ! Unplugging your car is going to be the new fag break !

 

[classic33]

No. Pretty much everyone uses a Type 2 charger as it is now the standard. You can buy converters for Type 1 or a 3 pin plug.
I don't expect anything. I do acknowledge that there is a risk, as technology advances, that Type 2 will be superseded.

Thought that three pin chargers were now outdated, and no longer used in the UK?
Would something like this be incorrect then.

 

[jowwy]

Again people looking at todays infrastructure, a lot can happen before ICE cars are banned.....

 

[KnittyNorah]

And in rural areas it's only about 17% of homes don't have access to off street parking.
When I lived in London I didn't have a car - it wasn't necessary with the public transport.
Are you seriously saying that until everyone in places like London can charge a car - we shouldn't make the change ? LOL.

From June 15, 2022. Any new residential buildings with associated parking must have access to electric vehicle charge points. So it's only ever going to become easier to use an EV.

Stop deliberately misinterpreting my words.

How does a belief that potential EV owners need to be sure that they can safely, conveniently and economically charge said vehicle before they will - or indeed can - commit to buying one, equate to 'until everyone in London can charge a car'?
Ridiculous!

You have no idea how active I am in campaigning for change - I at least have some knowledge of just how difficult that is for many people! - but there are other changes - practical changes - which need to happen before many car owners will or are able to even think about getting an EV.
It's no use harping on about how much cheaper they are to run than an ICE vehicle when the only option is 69p per unit at a charger a few miles away.
It's no use saying how 'easy' it is to plug in - when a person has neither a socket available in which to plug, nor sees any 'round and about' where they live.
It is insulting to tell people who live in towns 'just use public transport', and only displays your ignorance about the matter. Are you even aware that some towns have NO useful bus or rail services, and that where bus services do exist, they often do not operate on Sundays or bank holidays, they often cease service mid or even early evening, and do not start until some specific time in the morning?
The change in regulations for residential buildings will have little-to-no impact in areas where old stock predominates, and where there is vanishingly-little new housing stock anyway.

Of course, the conditions in Surrey - the wealthiest county in the country - and the borough of Embridge, often known as Britain's Beverley Hills, and home to some of the county's, and the country's, highest earners, are hardly representative of much of the rest of the country, especially outside the golden circle of the Great Wen and the Home (???) Counties.

 

[KnittyNorah]

Again people looking at todays infrastructure, a lot can happen before ICE cars are banned.....

I would say a lot NEEDS to happen before we can switch to EVs. I hope it does, but atm (from what I see, and from what friends have mentioned) the needed changes are slow, piecemeal, bitty, disconnected, expensive ... it's not looking good so far for a 'big push' towards EVs replacing ICE on the roads in the next few years.
I wish it were - I really truly wish it were - but it's just not happening out here in the boonies ...

 

[cougie uk]

Stop deliberately misinterpreting my words.

How does a belief that potential EV owners need to be sure that they can safely, conveniently and economically charge said vehicle before they will - or indeed can - commit to buying one, equate to 'until everyone in London can charge a car'?
Ridiculous!

You have no idea how active I am in campaigning for change - I at least have some knowledge of just how difficult that is for many people! - but there are other changes - practical changes - which need to happen before many car owners will or are able to even think about getting an EV.
It's no use harping on about how much cheaper they are to run than an ICE vehicle when the only option is 69p per unit at a charger a few miles away.
It's no use saying how 'easy' it is to plug in - when a person has neither a socket available in which to plug, nor sees any 'round and about' where they live.
It is insulting to tell people who live in towns 'just use public transport', and only displays your ignorance about the matter. Are you even aware that some towns have NO useful bus or rail services, and that where bus services do exist, they often do not operate on Sundays or bank holidays, they often cease service mid or even early evening, and do not start until some specific time in the morning?
The change in regulations for residential buildings will have little-to-no impact in areas where old stock predominates, and where there is vanishingly-little new housing stock anyway.

Of course, the conditions in Surrey - the wealthiest county in the country - and the borough of Embridge, often known as Britain's Beverley Hills, and home to some of the county's, and the country's, highest earners, are hardly representative of much of the rest of the country, especially outside the golden circle of the Great Wen and the Home (???) Counties.

What's Surrey got to do with it ?

 

[jowwy]

I would say a lot NEEDS to happen before we can switch to EVs. I hope it does, but atm (from what I see, and from what friends have mentioned) the needed changes are slow, piecemeal, bitty, disconnected, expensive ... it's not looking good so far for a 'big push' towards EVs replacing ICE on the roads in the next few years.
I wish it were - I really truly wish it were - but it's just not happening out here in the boonies ...

its not the next few years though, its 12yrs to banning new ice cars being made, not driven.....the word NEW is key here

 

[vickster]

Stop deliberately misinterpreting my words.

How does a belief that potential EV owners need to be sure that they can safely, conveniently and economically charge said vehicle before they will - or indeed can - commit to buying one, equate to 'until everyone in London can charge a car'?
Ridiculous!

You have no idea how active I am in campaigning for change - I at least have some knowledge of just how difficult that is for many people! - but there are other changes - practical changes - which need to happen before many car owners will or are able to even think about getting an EV.
It's no use harping on about how much cheaper they are to run than an ICE vehicle when the only option is 69p per unit at a charger a few miles away.
It's no use saying how 'easy' it is to plug in - when a person has neither a socket available in which to plug, nor sees any 'round and about' where they live.
It is insulting to tell people who live in towns 'just use public transport', and only displays your ignorance about the matter. Are you even aware that some towns have NO useful bus or rail services, and that where bus services do exist, they often do not operate on Sundays or bank holidays, they often cease service mid or even early evening, and do not start until some specific time in the morning?
The change in regulations for residential buildings will have little-to-no impact in areas where old stock predominates, and where there is vanishingly-little new housing stock anyway.

Of course, the conditions in Surrey - the wealthiest county in the country - and the borough of Embridge, often known as Britain's Beverley Hills, and home to some of the county's, and the country's, highest earners, are hardly representative of much of the rest of the country, especially outside the golden circle of the Great Wen and the Home (???) Counties.

It’s @icowden who lives in Elmbridgr
I think @cougie uk might be in (posh) Cheshire/Lancs?

 

[icowden]

Where's the gutter on a footpath?

You can't park on a footpath. You park on a road or a driveway.

 

[classic33]

You can't park on a footpath. You park on a road or a driveway.

I know where cars are supposed to park, but your point of having a trailing lead(live) running from the nearest lamp post, situated on the footpath to an EV, stated run it in the gutter. Meaning it wouldn't be a hazard on the footpath.

Suggest you read the post to which you replied.

 

[icowden]

It's no use harping on about how much cheaper they are to run than an ICE vehicle when the only option is 69p per unit at a charger a few miles away.

That's never the case. We keep trying to explain the difference between rapid charging (69-80p) and fast charging (same price as normal tariffs)

It's no use saying how 'easy' it is to plug in - when a person has neither a socket available in which to plug, nor sees any 'round and about' where they live.

Just get one. If you can't get one petition the Council to install one. It's that easy.

It is insulting to tell people who live in towns 'just use public transport', and only displays your ignorance about the matter. Are you even aware that some towns have NO useful bus or rail services, and that where bus services do exist, they often do not operate on Sundays or bank holidays, they often cease service mid or even early evening, and do not start until some specific time in the morning?

Yes, I live in such a town. You keep talking about large towns and cities. Large is Luton, Reading, Bolton, Blackpool, Middlesbrough, Swindon, Stockport. Also town is often synonymous with Cities such as London, Bristol, Leeds, Birmingham etc. Small towns tend to have more parking and more space.

Of course, the conditions in Surrey - the wealthiest county in the country - and the borough of Embridge, often known as Britain's Beverley Hills, and home to some of the county's, and the country's, highest earners, are hardly representative of much of the rest of the country, especially outside the golden circle of the Great Wen and the Home (???) Counties.

You're right. We have relatively few charging points compared with say Brighton or Portsmouth or that there London. We should be trying much harder. Shetland has more charging points than Walton on Thames!

 

[icowden]

I know where cars are supposed to park, but your point of having a trailing lead(live) running from the nearest lamp post, situated on the footpath to an EV, stated run it in the gutter. Meaning it wouldn't be a hazard on the footpath.

Suggest you read the post to which you replied.

I did. The lamp post is usually about 12 inches from the edge of the pavement. Run the cable down the lamppost off the edge of the pavement, along the gutter and up into your car. It's not going to cause an obstruction. See. it goes to the road almost immediately. You could park behind this car and still be able to run a cable to the lamp post.

If the lamp posts are more distant then the council can do this:

 

[Alex321]

I did. The lamp post is usually about 12 inches from the edge of the pavement. Run the cable down the lamppost off the edge of the pavement, along the gutter and up into your car. It's not going to cause an obstruction. See. it goes to the road almost immediately. You could park behind this car and still be able to run a cable to the lamp post.

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If the lamp posts are more distant then the council can do this:

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One issue with that is if you park behind that car, he leaves and somebody else comes along, and parks on top of your cable.

Definitely a "first world" problem, but I can see it being an issue, however minor.

 

[classic33]

I did. The lamp post is usually about 12 inches from the edge of the pavement. Run the cable down the lamppost off the edge of the pavement, along the gutter and up into your car. It's not going to cause an obstruction. See. it goes to the road almost immediately. You could park behind this car and still be able to run a cable to the lamp post.

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If the lamp posts are more distant then the council can do this:

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Now do the same for the pedestrian section, 31/2 wide mentioned earlier. More than 20 yards to the nearest road, and the entrance to someone else's drive.

Local council have no plans to install on street chargers in lamp posts until 2030 at the earliest. Unless a company is willing to finance the scheme. IF, a company can be found that's willing to install in the meantime, then they cannot place any in school zones, and on nearby main roads, provide off-road parking.

Council would like to do the above, but money is tight.