Are we being forced to go electric?

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icowden

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Not with the facts as are presented in your link, but with the likely response from many (clearly not all) councils. Also with your assertion that it is 'the reverse' in what I called the chicken and egg situation as I do not believe there will be a demand for EVs from people who can see no way of charging them conveniently and economically.
You don't have to believe it. Demand for EVs is rapidly increasing. There are countless stats showing this. Governments are ending sales of ICE cars, purchases of EVs are increasing month on month.
 
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icowden

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Local council have no plans to install on street chargers in lamp posts until 2030 at the earliest. Unless a company is willing to finance the scheme. IF, a company can be found that's willing to install in the meantime, then they cannot place any in school zones, and on nearby main roads, provide off-road parking.
The Government have a grant for it. All they have to do is apply.
FREE MONEY!
 

Jenkins

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Going slightly off topic, I saw a new MG4 being used as a driving school vehicle this afternoon. If someone was to take their test in one of these, would they be limited to an 'automatics only' licence if they passed?
 

icowden

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Going slightly off topic, I saw a new MG4 being used as a driving school vehicle this afternoon. If someone was to take their test in one of these, would they be limited to an 'automatics only' licence if they passed?
Yes. There is no clutch. The point of learning to use a clutch is rapidly disappearing. Heck, my car will reverse park itself.
 

classic33

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The Government have a grant for it. All they have to do is apply.
FREE MONEY!
Who actually pays for all this "free money" you keep on mentioning? Is this everyone else, who doesn't have an EV or an ICE one, further subsiding EV usage.

Question.
You want to install charging points in an area that includes a main road and a school zone. Do you want to purchase the required land* to provide the off-road parking as part of the contract.

*It's basically the grass verges either side of the road, currently used by those who live along the road.
 
You don't have to believe it. Demand for EVs is rapidly increasing. There are countless stats showing this.
New Auto Trader research shows that electric vehicles represented over a quarter (27%) of the share of new car enquiries being sent to retailers through Auto Trader’s marketplace in June, when petrol reached almost £2 a litre, but by November, as energy prices rose and fuel prices softened, EVs accounted for less than one in five (19%) of enquiries.

The report also reveals that, for the first time since the start of the pandemic, year-on-year (YoY) demand for used EVs is in decline with a double-digit (12.6%) slide in the past 12 months as wider market dynamics, coupled with consumer fears over rocketing electricity bills, throw Government ambitions for the electrification of the UK automotive industry off course.


https://www.motortrader.com/motor-t...rs for electric,costs and energy prices surge.
 

icowden

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Who actually pays for all this "free money" you keep on mentioning? Is this everyone else, who doesn't have an EV or an ICE one, further subsiding EV usage.
The tax payer.

Question.
You want to install charging points in an area that includes a main road and a school zone. Do you want to purchase the required land* to provide the off-road parking as part of the contract.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...ctric-vehicles-guidance-for-local-authorities
 

icowden

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The report also reveals that, for the first time since the start of the pandemic, year-on-year (YoY) demand for used EVs is in decline with a double-digit (12.6%) slide in the past 12 months as wider market dynamics, coupled with consumer fears over rocketing electricity bills, throw Government ambitions for the electrification of the UK automotive industry off course.
But sales of new EVs have increased year on year. As those EVs get older, more second hand EVs will be available at better prices which in turn drives the second hand market. Add to that the increasing use of ULEZ and desire to get rid of petrol / diesel infrastructure, demand will increase again.
 
Who actually pays for all this "free money" you keep on mentioning? Is this everyone else, who doesn't have an EV or an ICE one, further subsiding EV usage.

Question.
You want to install charging points in an area that includes a main road and a school zone. Do you want to purchase the required land* to provide the off-road parking as part of the contract.

*It's basically the grass verges either side of the road, currently used by those who live along the road.

I've made similar points about the fact that the reductions in fuel tax revenue means that the poor subsidising the rich so the rich can save money. Wait until the uptake of EV's gets higher and they have to recoup even more lost revenue.
 

icowden

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I've made similar points about the fact that the reductions in fuel tax revenue means that the poor subsidising the rich so the rich can save money. Wait until the uptake of EV's gets higher and they have to recoup even more lost revenue.
It's likely to be an actual road tax charging by the mile. Only has to be a small amount to build up those lost petrol taxes.
 

classic33

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Further subsidisation of your EV ownership then. And hardly free.

See 3.
"Chargepoints may be installed on land not owned by a local authority. It is hoped this is particularly beneficial for rural local authorities, where community-owned land (for example, a village hall car park) is often well suited to providing charging infrastructure. This will be considered on a discretionary basis where it can be demonstrated that a lack of suitable local authority land poses a barrier to the installation of residential chargepoints."
 
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