It's not a very big one. And other than the very few blocks of flats, pretty much everyone has the capability for a driveway. After that, lamppost charging would be an idea. There are also 5 very large car parks that could be fitted up with chargers.
Are we being forced to go electric?
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ClichéGuevara
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According to those tasked with installing them, some large car parks do not have enough power available to run a meaningful number of chargers at the same time as the lifts.
You are under a lot of misconceptions relating to adequate power being available at the points you are suggesting.
No, of course I'm aware there are people who can't ride pedal cycles, and there are those who can't ride twist and go scooters, for balance reasons or whatever. There are also many of those people who can't drive either, so they have to take public transport or mobility scooters. What about them? Maybe we should ban all private ownership of 4 wheeled cars out of fairness? Of course not.
What I'm saying is that the majority of the population can or could ride 2 wheeled vehicles of various types and many of those may choose to have those in preference to a 4 wheeled box for the increased convenience and charging ability. This in turn would vastly reduce pressure on public charge points, on street parking places and congestion in general. This would be an unalloyed "good thing", no?
Certainly I'd be quite interested myself in electric motorcycles or twist and go type scooters for occasional longer distance commuting. What I find disappointing is the seeming lack of focus on lighter, short range electric city vehicles which could be car replacements for very many of those in cities. It just goes to show you can't leave everything to the market.
Electric_Andy
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I do wonder why hybrids are not being pushed/talked about more than pure Evs? It seems to be the best of both worlds; use the electric around town, switch to petrol/diesel on longer runs where you'd likely be getting 50+mpg and charging the internal battery at the same time? IMHO it is a step-change (management bingo anyone?) where you can wean people off pure fossil fuel cars over a longer period. Also pollution will be restricted to out of town (not perfect I know, but would at least reduce city pollution). Given the fact that I probably get 30mpg around town, and 60mpg on a longer run, the usage alone could drop my 50%. But you're not then forcing people to chnage to pure EV which they may be wary of, and might not suit their needs for now
cougie uk
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Well you're lugging two engines around with you. You'll have more maintenance. You'll pay more costs upfront.
Do they really charge the battery as they go ? That would affect the MPG quite a bit surely ?
vickster
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Looking at the Kia Niro as an example, the EV is rather more expensive than the PHEV, shouldn‘t it be the other way around if the EV is much simpler, you say the costs are higher upfront, doesn’t appear to be the case? Profiteering by manufacturer?
oldwheels
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The only parking available to me is on the opposite side of the road from my house and is not necessarily exclusive to me so I would need to run a cable across what has become a busy road due the a large number of new houses further along. Tourists see a space where they can park free while off for a walk and I am stuck.
I do have a Blue Badge but the local council refuse to provide me with a reserved spot as it is not on the public road and actual ownership of the land is very obscure.
In summer the chances of getting a working public charger are a bit slim due to the infestation of tourists who surely will have a fair number of electric vehicles.
in any case since I cannot walk far and just sitting in my car while it charges would be soul destroying.
I think the main point is that there is no one size fits all solution and what would work in a large conurbation may not suit a semi rural area.
Alex321
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Yet.
It is not beyond the wit of man to increase the amount of power available.
Most of the objections here regarding charging are objecting on the basis of what we have now, which is likely to change significantly before we reach the point where it is impractical to continue running ICE cars.
There are undoubtedly issues regarding getting enough power to where it will be needed.
But the increase in need will be relatively gradual over the next 10-15 years, which gives time for those issues to be resolved.
I don't think anybody is suggesting we could all go out tomorrow and switch our car for an electric one, and all be able to keep them charged easily.
cougie uk
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It's çalled idling fees. Tesla charge £1 per min overstay charge
ClichéGuevara
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I'm basing it in the issues raised in numerous conversations with people at the front end of siting these things.
classic33
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Where's the gutter on a footpath?
Alex321
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But new hybrids will also be banned from 2035. I don't think manufacturers are going to invest much more in hybrids, given they only have 5 years more life than pure ICE vehicles.
All the R&D is going to go into pure EVs.
oldwheels
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How dare you know more about what's on your door step than someone with google.
Craignure is just a ferry terminal with pretensions and a couple of tourist traps. The MICT terminal is for the use of their own vehicles and I have never seen the space vacant.
The car park with the charging points is pay and display as a further disincentive.
Alex321
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Usually between 50 and 100 miles. And yes, that probably does account for most of the price difference, though even then a PHEV really should be more expensive than a pure EV.
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