Are we being forced to go electric?
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DRM
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Been to France plenty of times, most employees get Saturday and Sunday off, and just about everything shuts on a Sunday and Jours Feries, most HGV’s will be multi drop on Monday to Friday and are back at base on weekends, but I’ve seen plenty of foreign trucks from all over Europe on the Autoroute on weekends going to/from the ferries
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I think gbb agrees, they have said a cost of around £60,000 guesstimate cost, meaning £230,000 appears to have vanished into the ether
classic33
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There's twenty five vehicles in total, two of which are bin wagons. Which aren't exactly cheap with a diesel engine.
Cambridge got two in 2020 at a cost of £400,000 each.
https://www.cambridgeindependent.co.uk/news/councils-unveil-first-all-electric-bin-lorry-9128828/
Ok, so we agree the bin lorries will be expensive. A new diesel one with duel collection can be around £200k. I just find it hard to believe that the bog standard pick up lorries cost anywhere near that.
Interesting thread which I don’t think anyone expected this run and various attempts at logIc.
The oil / energy / car manufacturing industries are all profit driven. If there is surge in demand for EVs, they will flip their focus at a drop of the proverbial hat. Cost and convenience issues are drivers for demand. There is no conspiracy within these industries to delay the move towards EV. Norway is a good example where the govt introduced measure to make EVs attractive to consumers.
Elon Musk spots trends and goes for it. And good for him. PayPal and Tesla are his legacy. If history is flipped and we started with EVs and someone found ICE to be the new innovation, Musk will probably spearhead it.
There is a wider World outside the UK, where people don‘t have garages with sockets. There are no re-charging infrastructure plan in place let alone re-charging points. ICE demand in over 150 countries will remain in the near future.
EVs have progressed thru the years and it will eventually be the norm. Be patient.
Musk dropping the price of Tesla is to clear stock and it is not going to move the dial. Insurance cost for Tesla is the highest among all EVs including BMW. Some EVs attract half the insurance cost of a Tesla. Mainly because repair and spare parts are expensive and Tesla does not have the worldwide support and supply infrastructure that other car manufacturers have. It is this reason why you order their cars online. Its nothing to do with some altruistic version of car sales.
Having said all that, I would probably get a Tesla as it makes life more interesting, when the time comes. And like Joneses next door I can say I owned one.
The oil / energy / car manufacturing industries are all profit driven. If there is surge in demand for EVs, they will flip their focus at a drop of the proverbial hat. Cost and convenience issues are drivers for demand. There is no conspiracy within these industries to delay the move towards EV. Norway is a good example where the govt introduced measure to make EVs attractive to consumers.
Elon Musk spots trends and goes for it. And good for him. PayPal and Tesla are his legacy. If history is flipped and we started with EVs and someone found ICE to be the new innovation, Musk will probably spearhead it.
There is a wider World outside the UK, where people don‘t have garages with sockets. There are no re-charging infrastructure plan in place let alone re-charging points. ICE demand in over 150 countries will remain in the near future.
EVs have progressed thru the years and it will eventually be the norm. Be patient.
Musk dropping the price of Tesla is to clear stock and it is not going to move the dial. Insurance cost for Tesla is the highest among all EVs including BMW. Some EVs attract half the insurance cost of a Tesla. Mainly because repair and spare parts are expensive and Tesla does not have the worldwide support and supply infrastructure that other car manufacturers have. It is this reason why you order their cars online. Its nothing to do with some altruistic version of car sales.
Having said all that, I would probably get a Tesla as it makes life more interesting, when the time comes. And like Joneses next door I can say I owned one.
Chislenko
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Interesting point here. Must admit since retiring five years ago after a lifetime in the motor trade I pay very little attention to it nowadays.
But it begs the question if most of the business is online and service centres are few and far between where do you go to get your Tesla diagnosed when it goes wrong, where do you order a set of brake pads?
Have the aftermarket started supplying spare parts for Tesla yet? Do none Tesla outlets have access to Tesla diagnostic equipment?
Jameshow
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I think this case is a lack of thinking by the council.
All then need to finish put in a small block built distribution room which houses a meter, consumer unit and as many 7kw charger units as needed. Then you run leads to each individual van. It's not like they need fast charger as they will only be used 9-5 anyway.
Chislenko
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I can see a good retirement job opportunity here, EV Dustbin Lorry Night Watchman to unplug them when they are fully charged and watch for charging malfunctions etc.
You could probably do an OU course whilst carrying out the job 😊
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Chislenko
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I'm just thinking of the job creation opportunities 😊
There is a chap @cougie uk will know who I am talking about (Green Lane Park and Ride, Deeside Ind Est) who is paid to sit in a shuttle bus all day and ferry passengers. I have never seen more than four or five cars use this particular P&R. The bus driver just sits there most of the day twiddling his thumbs. He must be bored rigid!
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There's already a surge
Yes there is a delay, they are so heavily invested in internal combustion and fossil fuels, its financially ruinous to quickly swap to EV production
Tesla were already making cars before Norway went large on EV conversion. Tesla are many times more profitable per car than everybody else making vehicles. The legacy manufacturers are so inefficient compared to Tesla, they are literally sh!tting a brick.
It does have distribution for spares, it does it differently. You message Tesla via the app, have a brief chitchat, they order the parts to be there at the point of service repair. Cost savings by ordering new cars online are massive- no dealers in every town to supply points of sale merchandise-just regional service centres.
Tesla have completely flipped the auto industry upside down in less than 10 years. I can see quite a few big brands failing in the coming years-mergers and acquisitions
Like Tesla or not, you cannot dispute their meteoric rise to be no1 vehicle manufacturer. - no we are not talking production numbers
Its done remotely for the most part, they have full integration into the car, so can diagnose from a laptop. Brake pads hardly wear, you don't service the car yearly.
I was told by two service centres, bring the car back in 3 or 4 years if it hasn't reported any faults in the meantime. Currently at just over 3 years and neither of my cars has had a service, both cars have passed MOTs with no advisories
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After reading the very badly reported clickbait, there is a comment from a York resident suggesting that the council planned to upgrade a couple of substations, that eventually feed the yard in order to get enough power in to charge the vans, this hasn’t been completed yet, hence the vans are in storage, this is where the high cost of the project seems to be paying for, bad reporting not telling the whole story, again.
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