Grant assisted by Central Government. There is a fleet of eight electric buses for local routes in Harrogate which are 4-5 years old and the remainder of the fleet, possibly excluding schools, is to go electric next year which includes the double decker operated Leeds-Ripon route.
Are we being forced to go electric?
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Grant assisted by Central Government. There is a fleet of eight electric buses for local routes in Harrogate which are 4-5 years old and the remainder of the fleet, possibly excluding schools, is to go electric next year which includes the double decker operated Leeds-Ripon route.
classic33
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A view from within the industry.
"TELSA has Charging mathematical flaw…skewed.
AT PEPSIco ROLL OUT
***2kwh per mile x 500 miles =1000kwh battery
***tesla claim 70% charge in 30min = 350miles
***350miles x 2kwh per mile = 700kwh = 70%
CATCH 22
***1000kwh battery x 30min (½ hour charge)
= ONLY 500kwh.
***200kwh difference
****skewed and not laid out right…
FOR THIS TO WORK …
HINT; Timing is the issue"
From
https://www.freightwaves.com/news/why-the-tesla-semi-isnt-yet-ready-for-commercial-prime-time
"TELSA has Charging mathematical flaw…skewed.
AT PEPSIco ROLL OUT
***2kwh per mile x 500 miles =1000kwh battery
***tesla claim 70% charge in 30min = 350miles
***350miles x 2kwh per mile = 700kwh = 70%
CATCH 22
***1000kwh battery x 30min (½ hour charge)
= ONLY 500kwh.
***200kwh difference
****skewed and not laid out right…
FOR THIS TO WORK …
HINT; Timing is the issue"
From
https://www.freightwaves.com/news/why-the-tesla-semi-isnt-yet-ready-for-commercial-prime-time
Those are good examples of better advances , some for very obvious reasons , however EVs are purely for the betterment of the motor industry and nothing else !
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That was from a comment on the article, not the article itself.
And the comment makes no sense, since the size of the battery has no impact on the amount of charge that can be delivered in 30 minutes - and that 70% charge in 30 minutes (they actually claim 80%) will be using their new megachargers, which should be able to deliver that much.
The battery is 900kWh, not 1000, and the usage is claimed at "less than 2kW/mile", not the exact 2kW he has used to calculate the battery size.
Alex321
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Rubbish.
The motor industry would happily have carried on using ICE vehicles if they weren't forced into EVs by legislation from a number of governments.
And the reason for that legislation is targets for reduction in emissions set by various treaties.
classic33
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I know it's a comment on the article, I included the link purely to prove where it came from.
DRM
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Biggest problem with that in the UK/Europe is the truck that’s out all week, or longer, where do you recharge it, if your driving hours are up and all you can do is get in a lay-by you are stuffed, there’s not enough truck stops or service stations with room for chargers, so you end up missing your delivery or collection slot if you end having to pull up for a recharge, it needs much better infrastructure to work
France has the infrastructure for trucks ,will be waiting to see if they adopt the electric truck revolution. The government should be leading the revolution thro public transport, all pollution from old busses and trains could be stopped with infrastructure investment. Then delivery vans ( all your cycling kit bought off the internet and your supermarket home delivery service ) that spew out deisel could be phased out ( subsided or the old scrappage scheme.) everywhere not just the cities. Then people will jump onto the bandwagon as all the infrastructure for charging will almost be completed
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Can’t see France having the space for hoards of HGV’s parked up all night, despite having a more relaxed attitude to the use of Aires, unlike the UK where they demand money to overnight at the services, it will require the building of specific parking areas, with lots of charging points, the thing is when your hours are up, you have to stop for breaks, no if’s or but’s, and if it’s a lay-by then that’s where you go, you can’t just keep going till you get to a charging point as a car or van driver can
DRM
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Not a chance, self driving 44 tonne vehicles on UK roads is a ridiculous proposition, it will be downright dangerous, it’s not down to reorganised schedules either, it doesn’t work like that, some drivers leave home on a Monday at best get home Friday night, they will likely as not have no idea where they will end up day to day, as for Continental work it’s an absolute non starter, the planning to cross Europe, or even further afield is mind blowing, vehicles that go out reasonably local yes, electric could work, as you charge at base, do a set run, then back to base, do it all again the following day, long distance tramping, doomed to failure on electric
classic33
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Never seen a bin wagon parked up outside someone's house overnight. Round here they go back to the depot, for secure storage.
Alex321
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Fair enough.
Just that I'm not sure the comments are from industry insiders, which is why I made that point.
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