Are we being forced to go electric?

[DRM]

Would they not switch off when fully charged??
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Yes they do

 

[DRM]

Its done remotely for the most part, they have full integration into the car, so can diagnose from a laptop. Brake pads hardly wear, you don't service the car yearly.

I was told by two service centres, bring the car back in 3 or 4 years if it hasn't reported any faults in the meantime. Currently at just over 3 years and neither of my cars has had a service, both cars have passed MOTs with no advisories

Do they have silicon brake fluid, or mineral DOT fluid in a Tesla?

 

[gbb]

Interesting thread which I don’t think anyone expected this run and various attempts at logIc.

The oil / energy / car manufacturing industries are all profit driven. If there is surge in demand for EVs, they will flip their focus at a drop of the proverbial hat. Cost and convenience issues are drivers for demand. There is no conspiracy within these industries to delay the move towards EV. Norway is a good example where the govt introduced measure to make EVs attractive to consumers.

Elon Musk spots trends and goes for it. And good for him. PayPal and Tesla are his legacy. If history is flipped and we started with EVs and someone found ICE to be the new innovation, Musk will probably spearhead it.

There is a wider World outside the UK, where people don‘t have garages with sockets. There are no re-charging infrastructure plan in place let alone re-charging points. ICE demand in over 150 countries will remain in the near future.

EVs have progressed thru the years and it will eventually be the norm. Be patient.

Musk dropping the price of Tesla is to clear stock and it is not going to move the dial. Insurance cost for Tesla is the highest among all EVs including BMW. Some EVs attract half the insurance cost of a Tesla. Mainly because repair and spare parts are expensive and Tesla does not have the worldwide support and supply infrastructure that other car manufacturers have. It is this reason why you order their cars online. Its nothing to do with some altruistic version of car sales.

Having said all that, I would probably get a Tesla as it makes life more interesting, when the time comes. And like Joneses next door I can say I owned one.

Pretty much bang on...

 

[DRM]

I can see a good retirement job opportunity here, EV Dustbin Lorry Night Watchman to unplug them when they are fully charged and watch for charging malfunctions etc.

You could probably do an OU course whilst carrying out the job 😊

Actually that would make sense that someone could take the vans off charge when full, put the next ones on charge, keep swapping them round until all are fully charged

 

[CXRAndy]

After reading the very badly reported clickbait, there is a comment from a York resident suggesting that the council planned to upgrade a couple of substations, that eventually feed the yard in order to get enough power in to charge the vans, this hasn’t been completed yet, hence the vans are in storage, this is where the high cost of the project seems to be paying for, bad reporting not telling the whole story, again.

Its not sensational or anti EV if you give the whole picture.

 

[gbb]

I think gbb agrees, they have said a cost of around £60,000 guesstimate cost, meaning £230,000 appears to have vanished into the ether

Accepting we don't know probably half the facts, thats £230,000 per vehicle thats disappeared into the ether .
Further on there's mention of two bin lorries not mentioned in the original article, fair enough, even if they're £400,000 each, let's bring te original spend of £8 million down to £7 million for 23 vans, the cost per van therefore is still a thumping £300,000 plus each.
We had better hope it (the article) is wholly misleading and incorrect...that or some people in charge should be instantly dismissed.

 

[Jameshow]

Tesla are like Dyson imho.
Frontrunners in new tech but the established players will catch up and the USP will be lost.

Most if the Tesla tech won't reach lower levels as it's too expensive and China will be able to make drivetrains at a lower cost which motor companies can bolt on to thier latest body.

 

[MrGrumpy]

Interesting point here. Must admit since retiring five years ago after a lifetime in the motor trade I pay very little attention to it nowadays.

But it begs the question if most of the business is online and service centres are few and far between where do you go to get your Tesla diagnosed when it goes wrong, where do you order a set of brake pads?

Have the aftermarket started supplying spare parts for Tesla yet? Do none Tesla outlets have access to Tesla diagnostic equipment?

Tesla is a technology company first and foremost , I liken it to Apple. Everything is closely controlled , if you want your car repaired it’s back to Tesla . Unless anyone say different am I wrong here ? It’s quite ironic really from a personal view . My bro in law is anti Apple everything, hates the idea of having his phone etc locked down , yet drives a Tesla and worships the land that Musk walks on !

 

[DRM]

Accepting we don't know probably half the facts, thats £230,000 per vehicle thats disappeared into the ether .
Further on there's mention of two bin lorries not mentioned in the original article, fair enough, even if they're £400,000 each, let's bring te original spend of £8 million down to £7 million for 23 vans, the cost per van therefore is still a thumping £300,000 plus each.
We had better hope it (the article) is wholly misleading and incorrect...that or some people in charge should be instantly dismissed.

There’s a comment from a York resident suggesting it’s far from the whole story, I posted it further up

 

[CXRAndy]

Tesla plan to release a lower priced EV to directly compete with VW id3, Renault Zoe etc. Obviously overtime scale of production of electric motor s and battery packs will reduce end costs

 

[DRM]

Tesla is a technology company first and foremost , I liken it to Apple. Everything is closely controlled , if you want your car repaired it’s back to Tesla . Unless anyone say different am I wrong here ? It’s quite ironic really from a personal view . My bro in law is anti Apple everything, hates the idea of having his phone etc locked down , yet drives a Tesla and worships the land that Musk walks on !

I don’t get where people think Musk is a genius, he isn’t, he’s extremely privileged with wealthy parents that fund his stupid ideas, and never said no to him, he surrounds himself with people who are very bright and gets them to bring to life his whims, you’ve only got to see the Facebook debacle to work out he’s not the sharpest tool in the box

 

[CXRAndy]

Do they have silicon brake fluid, or mineral DOT fluid in a Tesla?

I don't know

 

[gbb]

I don’t get where people think Musk is a genius, he isn’t, he’s extremely privileged with wealthy parents that fund his stupid ideas, and never said no to him, he surrounds himself with people who are very bright and gets them to bring to life his whims, you’ve only got to see the Facebook debacle to work out he’s not the sharpest tool in the box

I have no love nor hate for him, but its what people who have a vision, do surely ?
His family wealth obviously enable him to do or try things many sane people wouldn't.
I watched a documentary about him, particually his rocket side of the business!, the stress he faced was monumental, if i understood the program correctly he effectively risked the entire Tesla side of the business to achieve his aims. I came away thinking how in the world does one person have all this on their shoulders and mind and stay sane.
Madman, genius, rich nutter, eccentric, who knows, all of them probably .

 

[CXRAndy]

I don’t get where people think Musk is a genius, he isn’t, he’s extremely privileged with wealthy parents that fund his stupid ideas, and never said no to him, he surrounds himself with people who are very bright and gets them to bring to life his whims, you’ve only got to see the Facebook debacle to work out he’s not the sharpest tool in the box

So Tesla vehicles, Space X, starlight satellites, Paypal are stupid?

Like all people who have driven humanity forward in some form or other, they tend to be a bit unusual. Without these people we as a race would be still in mud huts. Lets face it the vast majority of us are just average, don't have the visionary ideas to make things happen.

Many of the greats were/are unusual and were ridiculed, castigated for their ideas, which many of them failed, but eventually came up with a fantastic discoveries and creations.

Many of them are on the spectrum, but that is what gives them the edge in thinking outside the box compared to majority of us

 

[Jameshow]

I don’t get where people think Musk is a genius, he isn’t, he’s extremely privileged with wealthy parents that fund his stupid ideas, and never said no to him, he surrounds himself with people who are very bright and gets them to bring to life his whims, you’ve only got to see the Facebook debacle to work out he’s not the sharpest tool in the box

Twitter??
Or perhaps he's too sharp and dosent realise the real world consequences of his decisions rather like Lizzy and kwazi!🤣🤣🤣