Are we being forced to go electric?

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Alex321

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DRM said:
Biggest problem with that in the UK/Europe is the truck that’s out all week, or longer, where do you recharge it, if your driving hours are up and all you can do is get in a lay-by you are stuffed, there’s not enough truck stops or service stations with room for chargers, so you end up missing your delivery or collection slot if you end having to pull up for a recharge, it needs much better infrastructure to work
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We still ned better infrastructure even for Electric cars if we are really going to be almost entirely electric by the middle of next decade (which I believe is what the government wants to see).
 
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icowden

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Chislenko said:
https://metro.co.uk/2023/01/10/councils-8000000-electric-bin-wagons-go-to-waste-18067852/
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Very sceptical about that claim. Each bin lorry would have cost £320,000. I would imagine that the cost of the project in its entirety including installation of new charging infrastructure might be 8mil at a push.
 
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DRM said:
if it’s a lay-by then that’s where you go, you can’t just keep going till you get to a charging point as a car or van driver can
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I know. It's fantastic that all those laybys have diesel pumps for the drivers to use.

They don't? Then how do those diesel drivers refuel their lorries? Maybe what is needed is a supercharging infrastructure such as the Tesla Gigacharger which Pepsico is using.

Don't forget that on motorways for example lorries like the Tesla Semi can form a convoy saving energy and increasing range by driving very close together with one vehicle controlling the others.
 
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DRM

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icowden said:
I know. It's fantastic that all those laybys have diesel pumps for the drivers to use.

They don't? Then how do those diesel drivers refuel their lorries? Maybe what is needed is a supercharging infrastructure such as the Tesla Gigacharger which Pepsico is using.

Don't forget that on motorways for example lorries like the Tesla Semi can form a convoy saving energy and increasing range by driving very close together with one vehicle controlling the others.
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They can refuel just about anywhere, diesel outlets are everywhere, chargers for an artic are nowhere, a totally pointless comment, as an HGV driver if your driving hours are up you have to stop for the correct amount of rest by law, not where the next charger is
 
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DRM

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classic33 said:
Never seen a bin wagon parked up outside someone's house overnight. Round here they go back to the depot, for secure storage.
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Those aren’t bin wagons, that’s shoddy reporting again, they’re flat bed vans, the problem with dumping them in a yard is that quite quickly the batteries will self discharge, then go into sleep mode, with the risk of damaged cells if left much after that point, they need to at least install one charger and charge each van once a month to prevent this, as per usual it’s an Ill thought through project, probably by someone who has nothing to do with the reality of running a fleet of vehicles
 
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gbb

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icowden said:
Very sceptical about that claim. Each bin lorry would have cost £320,000. I would imagine that the cost of the project in its entirety including installation of new charging infrastructure might be 8mil at a push.
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As I read this, I thought £320,000 each, no way. Theyre vans, not lorries for chrissakes. But, the simple maths, unless there's something missing, it does equate to that figure. Outrageous in my opinion. Yes they're going to be considerably more expensive simply being powered by battery, more so when you add on the conversion for refuse....but all that looks like is a well built cage, gate etc.
Its like everyone who works for large organisations loses their financial mind.

A rough price for a Fiat dropside van is what ? £35 k ?...maybe 40. Even if you said adding a cage on the chassis was £50k, which would be outrageous imo, that means the premium for it being battery powered is around £230k. Its all just approximations of course but even if I am waaay off, its outrageous.
 
classic33

classic33

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cougie uk said:
I think we need more information on this. Those vans are not that expensive.

Organising some charge points shouldn't be that difficult for a local authority.

Have you noticed the mersey tunnel vehicles are all electric ? So they've managed it.
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They bought them before the price of them increased, and before they had the charging points ready.

Because the cables aren't where they were shown on plans, they've not been able to put the charging points in. First thing required, locate the necessary cables.
 
FishFright

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MrGrumpy said:
Those are good examples of better advances , some for very obvious reasons , however EVs are purely for the betterment of the motor industry and nothing else !
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That's about as incorrect as you can get. The motor industry is being dragged kicking and screaming from oil burning.
 
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icowden

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MrGrumpy said:
Those are good examples of better advances , some for very obvious reasons , however EVs are purely for the betterment of the motor industry and nothing else !
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And indeed they only started kicking into gear when they realised that Musk was selling hundreds of thousands of Teslas without a showroom or even a test drive.
 
Chislenko

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gbb said:
As I read this, I thought £320,000 each, no way. Theyre vans, not lorries for chrissakes. But, the simple maths, unless there's something missing, it does equate to that figure. Outrageous in my opinion. Yes they're going to be considerably more expensive simply being powered by battery, more so when you add on the conversion for refuse....but all that looks like is a well built cage, gate etc.
Its like everyone who works for large organisations loses their financial mind.

A rough price for a Fiat dropside van is what ? £35 k ?...maybe 40. Even if you said adding a cage on the chassis was £50k, which would be outrageous imo, that means the premium for it being battery powered is around £230k. Its all just approximations of course but even if I am waaay off, its outrageous.
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The cynic in me asks is there a councillor's "referral fee" in there?
 
classic33

classic33

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Gillstay

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MrGrumpy said:
Those are good examples of better advances , some for very obvious reasons , however EVs are purely for the betterment of the motor industry and nothing else !
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Have you not watched `Who killed the electric car' . Its shows very clearly the industry attitude in the USA.
 
Buck

Buck

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DRM said:
They can refuel just about anywhere, diesel outlets are everywhere, chargers for an artic are nowhere, a totally pointless comment, as an HGV driver if your driving hours are up you have to stop for the correct amount of rest by law, not where the next charger is
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You are right but we are looking at this today - a snapshot in time.

Where we have to get to is that charging stations are sufficiently prolific that they allow travel (business or leisure) to go on as needed.
Yet again, we all highlight that a major issue at present is the charging infrastructure and not necessarily the vehicles or the idea of owning an electric vehicle.
 
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