Are we being forced to go electric?

[icowden]

But you can go for a test drive, and be fed all the speel. The only difference being once you have been "sold" the product you go online to order it rather than deal face to face.
You can also get your car serviced there and buy parts and accessories.
It is a dealership by another name.

No it isn't. You cannot buy a car. Staff are also told not to try to sell the cars. They will give you information, let you see the cars and take a test drive. But there is no sales incentive for staff. No discounts. No wheeler-dealing. It is not a dealership. You buy the car online, in your own time. No pressure or creepy sales tactics. No ignoring you if you obviously aren't buying, or shmoozing you if you look loaded.

A car dealership, or car dealer, is a business that sells new or used cars, at the retail level, based on a dealership contract with an automaker or its sales subsidiary. Car dealerships also often sell spare parts and automotive maintenance services.

Tesla stores do not have dealership contracts as they are not dealerships. They are not independent of Tesla. They do not sell cars.

 

[CXRAndy]

That's right, you order your Tesla from their website.

 

[harlechjoe]

Yes, I believe we are being forced to go electric and am not happy at all.

 

[cougie uk]

Yes, I believe we are being forced to go electric and am not happy at all.

Did someone force you to buy your ebike too ?

 

[youngoldbloke]

Did someone force you to buy your ebike too ?

In 2035 non e-bikes will still be on sale - or do you know otherwise?

 

[CXRAndy]

Yes, I believe we are being forced to go electric and am not happy at all.

So you don't want much cleaner air when you go into a town or city., suffer far less with asthma, less likely to develop heart, lung, brain conditions? All effected by fossil fuel pollution

 

[icowden]

Yes, I believe we are being forced to go electric and am not happy at all.

Why? What are you unhappy with?

 

[harlechjoe]

Did someone force you to buy your ebike too ?

and that's the difference ...freedom of choice

 

[harlechjoe]

So you don't want much cleaner air when you go into a town or city., suffer far less with asthma, less likely to develop heart, lung, brain conditions? All effected by fossil fuel pollution

Crap - I simply object to being forced into E-cars.

 

[harlechjoe]

Why? What are you unhappy with?

I am unhappy at being " Forced "

 

[Buck]

Unfortunately for reasons greater than our individual wants and desires that freedom of choice is being removed.

Our freedom of choice is how we adapt to those changes that fits with our lifestyles, needs and financial position.

 

[icowden]

I am unhappy at being " Forced "

How are you being forced? You can still drive an ICE car if you want. You can still play vinyl and still watch Betamax also, or play a C90 cassette. You can choose to cook over an open fire and live in a mud hut if you wish. No-one will stop you. It will however become more expensive and more difficult. You may not be able to take your car into cities for example and fuel may become extremely expensive.

But no-one is forcing you.

 

[Dadam]

I am unhappy at being " Forced "

You're not being forced. You're not forced to have a car at all. Your choice of vehicle powertrain will just get more constrained over the next few years that's all. Over the same timeframe the choice of EVs and the infrastructure will get better.

Used ICE vehicles will be available probably for a decade or two after new ones are not available, however availability of petrol and diesel will be less hence will increase in cost. It's likely duty on it will increase at the same time. This may mean the price of used ICE cars will fall as demand falls. Eventually petrol and diesel will become a specialist commodity to keep classic vehicles running.

I speak as a car nut for most of my life, who's owned hot hatches and modified them (tastefully, I was never a chav ), so 20 years ago I would not have believed I'd have this opinion now. But it's inevitable and for the best; we have to wean ourselves off fossil fuels. I don't have an electric car as we don't currently do the mileage for it to make sense. Next time we replace either of ours it will probably be a BEV of some kind though.

 

[harlechjoe]

You're not being forced. You're not forced to have a car at all. Your choice of vehicle powertrain will just get more constrained over the next few years that's all. Over the same timeframe the choice of EVs and the infrastructure will get better.

Used ICE vehicles will be available probably for a decade or two after new ones are not available, however availability of petrol and diesel will be less hence will increase in cost. It's likely duty on it will increase at the same time. This may mean the price of used ICE cars will fall as demand falls. Eventually petrol and diesel will become a specialist commodity to keep classic vehicles running.

I speak as a car nut for most of my life, who's owned hot hatches and modified them (tastefully, I was never a chav ), so 20 years ago I would not have believed I'd have this opinion now. But it's inevitable and for the best; we have to wean ourselves off fossil fuels. I don't have an electric car as we don't currently do the mileage for it to make sense. Next time we replace either of ours it will probably be a BEV of some kind though.

The government has encouraged motor manufacturers to phase out diesel and petrol vehicles and as the absence of vehicle choice is now beginning to emerge, being forced is very much the case. Added to this my annoyance extends to the inadquate infrastructure to support the use of both electric and hydrogen vehicles.

 

[harlechjoe]

How are you being forced? You can still drive an ICE car if you want. You can still play vinyl and still watch Betamax also, or play a C90 cassette. You can choose to cook over an open fire and live in a mud hut if you wish. No-one will stop you. It will however become more expensive and more difficult. You may not be able to take you car into cities for example and fuel may become extremely expensive.

But no-one is forcing you.

You've missed the point. The phasing out of diesel and petrol engines forces is going to force motorists to drive electric or hydrogen vehicles and I don't feel forced to avoid or play records or watch betamax video.