JuhaL
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Some says that Garmin is clunky and awkward but I don't have nothing bad to say. For me it does the job very well. I'm not professional so I don't have any special demands what Garmin can't do.
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Some says that Garmin is clunky and awkward but I don't have nothing bad to say. For me it does the job very well. I'm not professional so I don't have any special demands what Garmin can't do.
Neither do I Juha
I like the body battery feature, now has calories burned from indoor riding
..... still on the TPV trail.
I worked out the virtual gearing feature today and it is excellent. You don't need any special kit - just enable it and then use the += key to up the gear and the - key to reduce it.
Another interesting bi-product of using the virtual gears was that I put the chain in a straight line and kept it there throughout. The display then showed that my Trainer was often showing a higher wattage than my pedals - again just shows how many watts are available by looking after your drivechain and also getting the best chainline. I always "knew" these things but TPV is really bringing it home to me.
I worked out the virtual gearing feature today and it is excellent. You don't need any special kit - just enable it and then use the += key to up the gear and the - key to reduce it.
Another interesting bi-product of using the virtual gears was that I put the chain in a straight line and kept it there throughout. The display then showed that my Trainer was often showing a higher wattage than my pedals - again just shows how many watts are available by looking after your drivechain and also getting the best chainline. I always "knew" these things but TPV is really bringing it home to me.
Chap who won our 180-350 race today. His ZRS is still over 50 points below mine (his is 277). Seems his ZRS score isn't rising very fast - are his 'floor' and 'ceiling' capped due to his low power?
It was a flat course (RGV) - no idea how he managed to hang on with an average of 143 watts? I was barely hanging on at 215 watts. Very strange, any ideas?
I was 11th out of 52 on the road, quite pleased. Wasn't sure I'd make it over the aqueduct with the leaders, but just about did that. Got dropped on the final roller before the finish. Managed to beat 3 others over the line though to hang on to a decent 11th (9 on ZP).
It was a flat course (RGV) - no idea how he managed to hang on with an average of 143 watts? I was barely hanging on at 215 watts. Very strange, any ideas?
I was 11th out of 52 on the road, quite pleased. Wasn't sure I'd make it over the aqueduct with the leaders, but just about did that. Got dropped on the final roller before the finish. Managed to beat 3 others over the line though to hang on to a decent 11th (9 on ZP).
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alex_cycles
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I think Zwift was included a couple of years ago, but before that it was true. https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2021/06/training-trainerroad-sufferfest.html
mjd1988
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1% is a massive underestimate id say. Even on a micro level, if you are in a group of 2 sprinting for second last, will you try as hard?
Agreed. Seems I'm not the only person who has identified the flaw in ZRS that can easily be used by someone wanting to control their ZRS score - screen shot is from the Zwift Insider post, where someone seems to be doing exactly what I said earlier.
Definitely a popcorn moment as Zwift try to fix ZRS without admitting they got it wrong
alex_cycles
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Agreed. Seems I'm not the only person who has identified the flaw in ZRS that can easily be used by someone wanting to control their ZRS score - screen shot is from the Zwift Insider post, where someone seems to be doing exactly what I said earlier.
Definitely a popcorn moment as Zwift try to fix ZRS without admitting they got it wrong
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The anti-tanking measures are not yet active as far as I know, but I think they will be fairly soon...
End of this month or is December?
Agreed. Seems I'm not the only person who has identified the flaw in ZRS that can easily be used by someone wanting to control their ZRS score - screen shot is from the Zwift Insider post, where someone seems to be doing exactly what I said earlier.
Definitely a popcorn moment as Zwift try to fix ZRS without admitting they got it wrong
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Looks like there are many ways to throw a race. Hopefully they find a way that rewards good performance (race position or power) with a good boost in ZRS score, and any poor performances result in a slow rate of decay in ZRS.
Indeed. But they suggest it's 'minimum effort' they are looking for, i.e. cruising in a race, but it's easy to tank a score and still have a high effort.
One way is, from the start pens, instead of pushing 450 watts to stick with the pack, push 250-300 instead. Lose the back wheel and the pack flies off. I'm still exceeding my FTP and HR goes up. I then hold watts at a normal race average for the rest of the race - I've given a normal race effort, but come in last.
Could also race hard for 30 mins, then get 'dropped' by the pack due to a lapse of concentration (we've all done it for real, I've been dropped on descents!), then we tempo to the finish. Result, finish down the results and lower the ZRS.
People will do this and I can't see how it's easy to detect as it's normal in races for riders to get dropped.
Only my personal view, but I think this is a waste of time Zwift trying manage this as it's easily manipulated (I could be proven wrong, and I'll admit so if the anti-tanking actually works). Just accept some people will game the game and concentrate more effort on fixing the initial seedings would be money better spent.
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Indeed.
I watch with interest to see how this pans out but given their success to date I'm sceptical
Phil, I dont know your weight compared to E Lavarack, but he comfortably went over 100kph on the radio tower. The secret is to be doing 50kph already as you tip down. So ramp up earlier and supertuck Video starts where he descends
View: https://youtu.be/oIhNFMP_0IE?t=4113
View: https://youtu.be/oIhNFMP_0IE?t=4113
alex_cycles
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You're missing the point. The idea with minimum effort is not to PREVENT tanking, but to make it MORE EFFORT.
Currently it's a piece of piss to waltz round at the back of the Tinies and dump a tonne of points in just one hour.
Whatever system you have there will be ways round it for the determined. It's not foolproof and it's not designed to be. It's just there to make it inconvenient.
