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alex_cycles

Veteran
Location
Oxfordshire
I think these guys were heavier than me so my 3.1 and weight against there power would have been interesting and very painful I guess , I'd even reconned the route

You can get a fairly good idea of their REAL climbing w/kg if you take their raw Watts and divide by weight + 9 kg to correct for bike weight.
Then if you compare that figure with your watts/(weight + 9) you'll get a fairly useful comparison.


So for me at 67 kg I managed 231w for 20 today so that would be 231/67=3.45 normally, but bike weight corrected 231/(67+9)=3.04
 

alex_cycles

Veteran
Location
Oxfordshire
10th/20 - the elastic to the front group snapped for me with about 1km left to go of the climbing. Got to the top with one other rider who I somehow managed to drop while super-tucking the descent (he must be kicking himself - or he should be!). Then in trying to hold that guy off on the flat, I started chasing down a group of 3 who were 15 seconds up the road and got to within 4 seconds, but the finish came too soon!

Enjoyable race - you get pretty decent numbers for the evening events now don't you?

Yes EMEA is looking very good. It's such a shame evening races don't suit me.
Although I do enjoy small races, it's much more of a roll of the dice. We started with 7, dropped 2 quickly. 1 more quit at the start of the climbs, which left us with 4 going up.

1 more got dropped in the last few hundred metres of the climb. I sprinted into super-tuck, as did the Japanese guy who stuck with me and we got 6s on the other guy. He caught us back up but it cost him at the end.

@bridgy you're doing well. Your league is updated
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https://zwiftpower.com/league.php?id=2395
 

bridgy

Legendary Member
Location
Cheddar
Yes EMEA is looking very good. It's such a shame evening races don't suit me.
Although I do enjoy small races, it's much more of a roll of the dice. We started with 7, dropped 2 quickly. 1 more quit at the start of the climbs, which left us with 4 going up.

1 more got dropped in the last few hundred metres of the climb. I sprinted into super-tuck, as did the Japanese guy who stuck with me and we got 6s on the other guy. He caught us back up but it cost him at the end.

@bridgy you're doing well. Your league is updated
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https://zwiftpower.com/league.php?id=2395

Oh cool - and that guy ahead of me is the one I dropped on the descent - even better!
 

bridgy

Legendary Member
Location
Cheddar
Yes EMEA is looking very good. It's such a shame evening races don't suit me.
Although I do enjoy small races, it's much more of a roll of the dice. We started with 7, dropped 2 quickly. 1 more quit at the start of the climbs, which left us with 4 going up.

1 more got dropped in the last few hundred metres of the climb. I sprinted into super-tuck, as did the Japanese guy who stuck with me and we got 6s on the other guy. He caught us back up but it cost him at the end.

@bridgy you're doing well. Your league is updated
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https://zwiftpower.com/league.php?id=2395

How does it work with the league tables when you alternate the cat boundaries and some people stay in Cat B for example and others go up or down a Cat? (Sorry, you've probably explained this all before!)
 

alex_cycles

Veteran
Location
Oxfordshire
How does it work with the league tables when you alternate the cat boundaries and some people stay in Cat B for example and others go up or down a Cat? (Sorry, you've probably explained this all before!)

So we have 4 races each month Flat, Rolling, Hilly (this week), Mountainous (next week).

Then next month the League resets and we shift the boundaries up 50 to rotate things around so nobody ends up always being the hammer or the nail (in theory, anyway). The idea is it's short and sweet. (Did similar with the Friday smash)

This month we have a 5th week to play with. It probably won't count towards the league but I'm trying to think of something fun we could do with it.
 

bridgy

Legendary Member
Location
Cheddar
So we have 4 races each month Flat, Rolling, Hilly (this week), Mountainous (next week).

Then next month the League resets and we shift the boundaries up 50 to rotate things around so nobody ends up always being the hammer or the nail (in theory, anyway). The idea is it's short and sweet. (Did similar with the Friday smash)

This month we have a 5th week to play with. It probably won't count towards the league but I'm trying to think of something fun we could do with it.

Ah I see - sorry I misunderstood where it says the cat boundaries alternate I thought that meant per race, but I see it means per month. That makes a lot more sense ^_^
 

Whorty

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Location
Wiltshire
I did another Community Race this afternoon, quite like them, different course every day by the looks of it. Pretty good turnout (80 ish in the pen, 70 ish finishers I think - I wasn't taking much notice to be honest). Nice flat RGV course in France, very fast, gets the heart pumping. Using it for a fitness boost so joined the 350-520 pen and hoping I'd ride with the stragglers as we get dropped - picked up a rider, then 2 more in aqueduct, dropped on, then picked up another before those 3 dropped me about 2km from the line.

Definitely recommend these rides if you have the spare 40 minutes or so
 

steverob

Guru
Location
Buckinghamshire
I did the same race on RGV earlier in the day, but in the 180-350 pen. Given it was the morning it was obviously a lot smaller field than the evening rides (28 in the pen, 18 finishers on ZP) but with the first half of the course being so flat, I did manage to hold on to the leaders for almost two thirds of the race. Annoyingly what did for me in the end wasn't the Aqueduc or the lumpy bits towards the end that I'd figured would be my downfall, but rather me losing concentration on the downhill from the Aqueduc and not seeing an attack go off at the front, which then everyone else in the group responded to and I lost the draft. Even though I held 400W for 20 seconds to try and bridge, there was no closing that gap once it was gone. I had 20 seconds on the next guy behind me at that point and managed to hold that gap all the way through the lumps; he closed a few seconds towards the end as I eased up for the last half mile. 13th on Zwift, 9th on ZP, two mins behind the leaders.
 

bridgy

Legendary Member
Location
Cheddar
I did another Community Race this afternoon, quite like them, different course every day by the looks of it. Pretty good turnout (80 ish in the pen, 70 ish finishers I think - I wasn't taking much notice to be honest). Nice flat RGV course in France, very fast, gets the heart pumping. Using it for a fitness boost so joined the 350-520 pen and hoping I'd ride with the stragglers as we get dropped - picked up a rider, then 2 more in aqueduct, dropped on, then picked up another before those 3 dropped me about 2km from the line.

Definitely recommend these rides if you have the spare 40 minutes or so

So after all that moaning, when ZRS does drop you down a category as you wanted, you join a race in the category above anyway - hilarious!
 

Whorty

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Location
Wiltshire
So after all that moaning, when ZRS does drop you down a category as you wanted, you join a race in the category above anyway - hilarious!

Tactical to drop my ZRS, but thanks for being concerned about my racing, it's lovely having someone take a close interest in what I'm doing

The race I was in Monday, riders as low as 60s (on the road out of 100) were having their ZRS score go up. My ZRS was 347 yesterday so didn't want to be in the stupid position where I race one day and lose a couple of points to get demoted, then race the next, come mid pack and get re-promoted and end up in a perpetual yo-yoing. Someone in that race Monday came 31st on the road and got promoted yet the person who came 2nd is still 60 points away from promotion. I'll let you decide if you think that's logical or not.

Yesterday was a flat run to the aqueduct so I knew I would be able to hold on for some time and not be dropped instantly - I managed 12 minutes, so was well chuffed. A really good workout and reduced my ZRS in the process :wahhey: win-win for me.
 

bridgy

Legendary Member
Location
Cheddar
Tactical to drop my ZRS, but thanks for being concerned about my racing, it's lovely having someone take a close interest in what I'm doing
I really don't care what you do, that's obviously entirely up to you, but I am quite interested (at the moment anyway!) in the nonsense you keep writing and trying to balance it out with some facts.

And you've done it again in this post - you're saying things about ZRS that aren't true because despite what you said previously you still don't understand it. And you have an incredible lack of curiosity - you love to pick out what looks like a potentially odd result and confidently claim it backs up your point when you've either misunderstood something or a few seconds of looking slightly deeper will explain it. Which is exactly what you've done below.

The race I was in Monday, riders as low as 60s (on the road out of 100) were having their ZRS score go up. My ZRS was 347 yesterday so didn't want to be in the stupid position where I race one day and lose a couple of points to get demoted, then race the next, come mid pack and get re-promoted and end up in a perpetual yo-yoing. Someone in that race Monday came 31st on the road and got promoted yet the person who came 2nd is still 60 points away from promotion. I'll let you decide if you think that's logical or not.
Yes, if you do actually understand the basics of ZRS, and you employ a tiny bit of curiosity to the results you're picking out, it is completely logical.

Firstly, it appears that at the moment scores in races go up for the top half of finishers and down for the bottom half, (with some extra bonus for the podium). The arrows you see next to a rider's score simply tells you how their score has moved since their last race. So if they are in the bottom half and their score went up, that just means their seed score went up at some point between their last race and this one, increasing their ZRS. It will have gone back down in this race, but shows as an up arrow because their score is now still higher than it was in their last race.

The person who came 2nd and is still 60 points away from that 350 boundary - a quick look shows it's his first race on Zwift since April so no previous 90 day power to base an accurate seed score on going into this race. So he started with a low seed score and has increased it in this race which will accelerate him moving up if he keeps finishing high up (although if you had your way and got rid of the 90 day rolling seed score he'd take much longer to move up to where he should be of course).

The person who came 31st was already right on the cusp of the Cat boundary of 350 - he was previously at 349 and increased by just 2 points for coming well within the top 27% of finishers. Others who finished above him with lower scores are obviosuly in the process of moving up (or just had a one-off really good race for them). Some people are inevitably on the boundary of categories, there's nothing illogical about that.

All perfectly logical and took a couple of minutes to see.
 
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