alex_cycles
Veteran
- Location
- Oxfordshire
No not really. It's mostly in your head. We're talking about a second here or there.
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No not really. It's mostly in your head. We're talking about a second here or there.
alex_cycles
Veteran
- Location
- Oxfordshire
I don't know, maybe a shorter period of recent results, to reflect current form. If you are a beginner with no history, then a base score given or rider needs to do a few events to create a profile.
100% agree with Alex here - in most races only marginal differences - but psychologically at least, nice to know you're on potentially the fastest bike you can be!
Where the bike differences can be more profound are on things like a pure hill climb up Alpe de Zwift or a flat TT with no drafting where the difference between the fastest and slowest bikes for those specific types of race can actually be quite big (eg 40 second difference between fastest and slowest TT bike over 20 miles of flat, and similar time difference between fastest and slowest bike frames up the Alpe)
I had a good race considering there was only 3 of us. The rider who was signed up didn't appear. I thought I was in for a lonely event with my two others racers setting off at over 4W/kg on the early climb. Thankfully the pace eased, I got back on and matched their pace over the crest. I wanted to lead to get the supertuck and make the other two work a bit. I had nearly 20 secs lead at the bottom. I held this until the Viaduct, where one rider decided to make the bridge to me. From there I swapped efforts for a minute to create as big a lead over the other lightweight. It worked creating a 1min30 lead for the second ascent. I knew I would not match the B cat fella up the ascent, but I wasn't going to let my lead over the last guy go. I went pop with 200 metres, but my place was secure.
Race score is initially unimpressed with my efforts and deducted 12 point
I thought I did ok being a hilly event
View: https://youtu.be/Nm6GchKDoOY?si=U8mKWG80XbhMO6p6
That would make the thing you're complaining about worse not better surely? You'd have even more B Cat riders with lower ZRS scores and therefore in lower ZRS categories because you'd be excluding even more activities they've done which might reflect their true potential (especially coming out of summer where many people race/ride much less on Zwift)
You were talking about "B Cat" riders in your ZRS category being the problem - these wouldn't be beginners with no history if they're B Cat so how would that change anything? Are you regularly being trounced in ZRS races by beginner riders with no history on Zwift?
alex_cycles
Veteran
- Location
- Oxfordshire
I beat an A and an A+ in week 1 on the flat race in London. It doesn't really mean a lot - just I had a bit more left at the end. They properly kicked my arse today on a hilly course (as expected).
I think the whole problem of this discussion is that this ZRS is something new and people are trying to examine it through the old paradigm.
Really we're much better off looking at vELO, adjusted vELO or even just specific power metrics to see how the race is likely to go.
Twice up Petit Kom today - so 5 minute power is going to give us a good indication of how the race will go. Much better than ABCD (which I regard as 'deprecated').
That's a lot of orange!
mjd1988
Guru
Id love to but it's very very unlikely I'd make it. I'll maybe post on here if by miracle I've got both kids down early but i definitely wouldnt count on it
I beat an A and an A+ in week 1 on the flat race in London. It doesn't really mean a lot - just I had a bit more left at the end. They properly kicked my arse today on a hilly course (as expected).
I think the whole problem of this discussion is that this ZRS is something new and people are trying to examine it through the old paradigm.
Really we're much better off looking at vELO, adjusted vELO or even just specific power metrics to see how the race is likely to go.
Twice up Petit Kom today - so 5 minute power is going to give us a good indication of how the race will go. Much better than ABCD (which I regard as 'deprecated').
Once up the KoM will do me in ... second time up will be very painful unless I'm lucky enough to find someone to ride with on the flat section in between. If that's an iTT then it could be a very lonely ride. Just hope Absolute Radio has some good tunes on tonight
That's why I like morning events, I will just start going into recovery around teatime. It allows me to get a settled nights sleep. Evening races disrupt my sleep so it takes part of the following day to bounce back
I'm not bothered by the league placings this time round as I was initially in the incorrect ZRS pen due to seedings. So happy to just do a race where I might see others (although looking at the w/kg of riders I'm thinking I'll be dropped early again tonight. I'll try to hang on as long as I can, but please don't wait for me - you'll have a good chance to get up the KoM with others tonight with a lead group
@Whorty ,my plan is to try not to go to hard on the 1st climb but try to keep in contact with the front bunch ,if you can hang on you hopefully hang on till the the last climb then it's everyman for themselves , hopefully I will be competitive as I'm now near the top of cat instead on the very bottom last week
