Zwift Chat

[steverob]

Links in case anyone missed them:
Tuesday @ 10:30am: https://www.zwift.com/events/view/3632415
Tuesday @ 7pm: https://www.zwift.com/uk/events/view/3622644
Thursday @ 6:30pm: https://www.zwift.com/uk/events/view/3622658

 

[Peter Salt]

Is swapping pedals that much of a pain? Takes me about 2 minutes a pair.

Yeah and it is quite easy to forget to change it if you have bikes with different crank lengths.

No, not a big deal but would be nice not to. I'm also just curious and simply testing stuff out. If the left one can function on its own just fine then why shouldn't the right one? And there's the unclipping issue that I don't know what I'm going to do with yet. Either practice a new, unintuitive, unclipping method or maybe modify the cleat so it accommodates for it. Time will tell.

For my gravel/Cx/MTB rides I don't have the power meter but intervals.icu gives a TSS estimate based on heart rate data.
It isn't as accurate, but it's better than a guess. (Usually estimates slightly high - or seems to).

Yes, there's the TRIMP method for PMC, that takes the HR data, but I found it inaccurate in the past. Much more prefer Coggan/Skiba which requires power.

By the way: What is the generally accepted method of counting zeros for power and cadence? I've got my Garmin set to include zeros for average power but not include zeros for average cadence.

 

[alex_cycles]

By the way: What is the generally accepted method of counting zeros for power and cadence? I've got my Garmin set to include zeros for average power but not include zeros for average cadence.

I think that's what I do. And 3s power displayed or it jumps around constantly

 

[Norry1]

By the way: What is the generally accepted method of counting zeros for power and cadence? I've got my Garmin set to include zeros for average power but not include zeros for average cadence.

Yep, this.

 

[Norry1]

If the left one can function on its own just fine then why shouldn't the right one?

With mine, one pedal only transmits to the other one - and the other one sends the combined power to the Head Unit. i.e. with mine you couldn't do what you are after (afaik).

 

[Brusgaard]

With mine, one pedal only transmits to the other one - and the other one sends the combined power to the Head Unit. i.e. with mine you couldn't do what you are after (afaik).

The left pedal in an Assioma set does all the talking. Neither single or DUO setup will work without it!

 

[Peter Salt]

With mine, one pedal only transmits to the other one - and the other one sends the combined power to the Head Unit. i.e. with mine you couldn't do what you are after (afaik).

The left pedal in an Assioma set does all the talking. Neither single or DUO setup will work without it!

Following the testing yesterday, I can definitely say that's not the case @Brusgaard - it seems to be what the Internet thinks but it's categorically wrong. I've got the right pedal talking to the head unit directly without much problem - the only issue is that I'm getting 50% of power.

What I did:
- Went on the Assioma app and set the pedals to dual-channel instead of single channel
- Unpaired the pedals from one another on the app, i.e. went from DUO mode to UNO mode
- Set the left pedal to 'travel mode', locked it in a metal safe (Faraday cage), and waited 15 minutes before proceeding - just to be extra sure it can't talk to anything
- fitted the right pedal to the bike, spun the cranks, 'discovered' it on the Garmin and paired
- everything works; all I need is a way to 'double the power output' - just like you can for the left one

 

[Brusgaard]

Following the testing yesterday, I can definitely say that's not the case @Brusgaard - it seems to be what the Internet thinks but it's categorically wrong. I've got the right pedal talking to the head unit directly without much problem - the only issue is that I'm getting 50% of power.

Yes, and you can talk to the right pedal alone using bluetooth. But I'm am quite certain, that to have a functioning system, you NEED the left pedal. Half the power is not a functioning system in my book. :-)

 

[CXRAndy]

Yes, and you can talk to the right pedal alone using bluetooth. But I'm am quite certain, that to have a functioning system, you NEED the left pedal. Half the power is not a functioning system in my book. :-)

It's not a bad comprise if there is a simple way to use a multiplier in the Garmin unit to display full power. Or do the math in your head quickly

 

[Brusgaard]

It's not a bad comprise if there is a simple way to use a multiplier in the Garmin unit to display full power. Or do the math in your head quickly

Yes, I have had that problem once or twice, where I am riding outside and the watts are really low. Then I disconnect/reconnect the Assiomas on the Garmin, and watts go back to normal (100%). I think what happens is that the left pedal for some reason doesn't pick up the right pedal and then just send the watts from the left pedal, which is roughly 50%.

The Garmin doesn't pair a left and right pedal, but a combination as one signal/device/sensor, which in turn has separate left/right power in it.

 

[BurningLegs]

Yes I did enjoy it ,but I do find starts with all cats difficult as you really don't know who your racing ...

Race everyone!!

Shouting out some of the guys who have taken part in only some of the rounds so far, to see if they are interested in doing one more race.

@bridgy, @Milzy, @IrishAl (though maybe I shouldn't want him to take part as he's only 2:42 behind me on the standings!), @Brusgaard, @BurningLegs, @Noodle Legs.

Remember if you can't make any of the currently scheduled events then I'm open to adding in further dates and times. There are currently three set up at present - Tuesday, new at 10:30, plus 19:00 as usual & Thursday now at 18:30, though the timing of that last one can still be adjusted if people require.

Sorry Steve, I did a Zwift race yesterday and used up my trial KMs!

Following the testing yesterday, I can definitely say that's not the case @Brusgaard - it seems to be what the Internet thinks but it's categorically wrong. I've got the right pedal talking to the head unit directly without much problem - the only issue is that I'm getting 50% of power.

What I did:
- Went on the Assioma app and set the pedals to dual-channel instead of single channel
- Unpaired the pedals from one another on the app, i.e. went from DUO mode to UNO mode
- Set the left pedal to 'travel mode', locked it in a metal safe (Faraday cage), and waited 15 minutes before proceeding - just to be extra sure it can't talk to anything
- fitted the right pedal to the bike, spun the cranks, 'discovered' it on the Garmin and paired
- everything works; all I need is a way to 'double the power output' - just like you can for the left one

My head unit (not a Garmin) has a setting where you can specify whether to double the power output or not (I have a left crank arm, so I need to do that). I would be shocked if Garmin doesn't also do it.

 

[Peter Salt]

Yes, and you can talk to the right pedal alone using bluetooth. But I'm am quite certain, that to have a functioning system, you NEED the left pedal. Half the power is not a functioning system in my book. :-)

Agree in that regard. I thought you meant that you can't establish connectivity with just the right pedal - which is not the case.

It's not a bad comprise if there is a simple way to use a multiplier in the Garmin unit to display full power. Or do the math in your head quickly

My head unit (not a Garmin) has a setting where you can specify whether to double the power output or not (I have a left crank arm, so I need to do that). I would be shocked if Garmin doesn't also do it.

That's exactly what I was hoping for. Either some sort of setting on the head unit itself or maybe an addon from the ConnectIQ.

The Garmin doesn't pair a left and right pedal, but a combination as one signal/device/sensor, which in turn has separate left/right power in it.

I think that depends on the head unit and how you set up the pedals. My Edge 530 is dual-channel so I can set each pedal to talk to the head unit independently at the same time (instead of the right talking to the left and then the head unit).

 

[Brusgaard]

I think that depends on the head unit and how you set up the pedals. My Edge 530 is dual-channel so I can set each pedal to talk to the head unit independently at the same time (instead of the right talking to the left and then the head unit).

Hmmm. I have a 1030Plus and I don't even know if it is paired using Bluetooth or ANT+... I don't think there is a way to see it, unless I turn off one of them (if that is even possible?)?

 

[Peter Salt]

Hmmm. I have a 1030Plus and I don't even know if it is paired using Bluetooth or ANT+... I don't think there is a way to see it, unless I turn off one of them (if that is even possible?)?

You need to turn on the Assioma app and set the pedals from 'single channel L only' to 'dual channel L/R' - it's under connectivity setting or something like that.

Once you do that, switch on your Garmin and do a search for new power sensors - there should be a new one just for the right pedal, I think. I did it just once so not an expert.

 

[IrishAl]

That's exactly what I was hoping for. Either some sort of setting on the head unit itself or maybe an addon from the ConnectIQ.

You can specify the crank length on the Garmin head unit (at least I can on my Edge 810) so if you need to double the recorded power output then set the crank length to double what it really is (I found this out by accident when o did a master reset on my edge last year - the crank defaulted to something really short and my power numbers went really low) I couldn’t figure out what the issue was - from blaming my legs being really bad to almost throwing the pedals out. Thankfully I found the crank setting after some serious googling. 🙈