Zwift Chat

[Marino.g]

I propose the following, then:

19:00:00 - CCC start [ @DCLane , @Whorty , @Spartak , @steverob , @Marino.g ]
19:03:00 - 68 start time (previously +3:15) [ @Brendan Parker , @Brusgaard , @mjd1988 , @bobinski , @Ketty , @Joffey ]
19:04:00 - 23 start time (previously +1:00) [ @BurningLegs , @<Tommy> , @bridgy , @Norry1 , @peterob , @Alongo ]

This keeps the gap between 68 and 23 the same, and it was a relatively early catch last night but 68 will be strengthened by moving the start time to 7PM. Perhaps the gap between 68 and 23 should come down to 0:45?

It "only" reduces the gap between CCC and 68 by 15 seconds, when CCC won by 33 seconds last night, but #68 are going to be stronger.

Anyone have any alternative suggestions?

Ccc should have @LeetleGreyCells and @JLaw back in the fray.

 

[mjd1988]

Also, I really enjoyed last night's format - I think it's kind of unique to have a race that's part TTT and part scratch race, and you're working for someone else in your team (although with the big pulls he did in the main race before the sprint Pete in our team might be wondering what's meant by "protected rider" )

If we do the same format though we will need to come up with a suitable solution for what I'm going to call "The Joffey Effect"! Brilliant as it was to see that heroic breakaway there's no point setting it up for that to happen in the same way every week is there? @Joffey your power numbers are completely different to the others in your team last night - and also the time gaps we used were based on a ZRL TTT that you didn't ride in so we'll need to adddress that somehow!

I agree with @BurningLegs that a standard mass start scratch race would also be good to do at some point. Yes I know it limits who is able to cross the line first but we all have our own group of riders who are close to us to have our own rivalries with, wherever you finish - i.e there would be races within the race.

Agreed. Really liked that race format but not against a scratch race (especially as we have lots of b and c riders, bit different if it was loads of one and not many of the other).

I think 7pm could open things up for a few more people so probably best to decide handicap times when we know who is likely to be there. Or could just start both b teams together (but still race as teams?)

 

[bridgy]

I propose the following, then:

19:00:00 - CCC start [ @DCLane , @Whorty , @Spartak , @steverob , @Marino.g ]
19:03:00 - 68 start time (previously +3:15) [ @Brendan Parker , @Brusgaard , @mjd1988 , @bobinski , @Ketty , @Joffey ]
19:04:00 - 23 start time (previously +1:00) [ @BurningLegs , @<Tommy> , @bridgy , @Norry1 , @peterob , @Alongo ]

This keeps the gap between 68 and 23 the same, and it was a relatively early catch last night but 68 will be strengthened by moving the start time to 7PM. Perhaps the gap between 68 and 23 should come down to 0:45?

It "only" reduces the gap between CCC and 68 by 15 seconds, when CCC won by 33 seconds last night, but #68 are going to be stronger.

Anyone have any alternative suggestions?

Without "The Joffey effect" CCC are a completely different team really, so it's hard to draw any conclusions about their handicap from last night. We caught the rest of their team relatively early, but then they'd been riding for Joffey for the first half of the race and maybe sat up a bit when he shot off on his breakaway? But then they might have Whorty back next week which changes things again.

Personally I think if Joffey's not in the team we should keep the time gap as it was last night and see how it pans out as we don't really have any data that justifies changing it yet

 

[Spartak]

I propose the following, then:

19:00:00 - CCC start [ @DCLane , @Whorty , @Spartak , @steverob , @Marino.g ]
19:03:00 - 68 start time (previously +3:15) [ @Brendan Parker , @Brusgaard , @mjd1988 , @bobinski , @Ketty , @Joffey ]
19:04:00 - 23 start time (previously +1:00) [ @BurningLegs , @<Tommy> , @bridgy , @Norry1 , @peterob , @Alongo ]

This keeps the gap between 68 and 23 the same, and it was a relatively early catch last night but 68 will be strengthened by moving the start time to 7PM. Perhaps the gap between 68 and 23 should come down to 0:45?

It "only" reduces the gap between CCC and 68 by 15 seconds, when CCC won by 33 seconds last night, but #68 are going to be stronger.

Anyone have any alternative suggestions?

How about a different course...?

R. G. V. 🇫🇷

 

[Ketty]

How about a different course...?

R. G. V. 🇫🇷

Alpe?!

 

[Spartak]

Alpe?!

Washing my hair on Tuesday..... 🤣

 

[Whorty]

Hope you have a better day today mate

Cheers Paul.

 

[Whorty]

I propose the following, then:

19:00:00 - CCC start [ @DCLane , @Whorty , @Spartak , @steverob , @Marino.g ]
19:03:00 - 68 start time (previously +3:15) [ @Brendan Parker , @Brusgaard , @mjd1988 , @bobinski , @Ketty , @Joffey ]
19:04:00 - 23 start time (previously +1:00) [ @BurningLegs , @<Tommy> , @bridgy , @Norry1 , @peterob , @Alongo ]

This keeps the gap between 68 and 23 the same, and it was a relatively early catch last night but 68 will be strengthened by moving the start time to 7PM. Perhaps the gap between 68 and 23 should come down to 0:45?

It "only" reduces the gap between CCC and 68 by 15 seconds, when CCC won by 33 seconds last night, but #68 are going to be stronger.

Anyone have any alternative suggestions?

If @Joffey stays in CCC that could work, but not if Joffey moves to #68. Only Joffey out of CCC crossed the line ahead of others, remove Joffey and the CCC team will be way down (not sure how much, but who was the second CCC rider over the line last night?)

 

[Joffey]

Without "The Joffey effect" CCC are a completely different team really, so it's hard to draw any conclusions about their handicap from last night. We caught the rest of their team relatively early, but then they'd been riding for Joffey for the first half of the race and maybe sat up a bit when he shot off on his breakaway? But then they might have Whorty back next week which changes things again.

Personally I think if Joffey's not in the team we should keep the time gap as it was last night and see how it pans out as we don't really have any data that justifies changing it yet

If for these events I am racing with #68 I have no skin in the game regarding CCC's time gap BUT would say it certainly doesn't want reducing for the next race. The team will be a bit stronger as a group and unless one of them is gonna go Kamikaze and attack with 7 miles to go i would suggest the majority of the team will stick together and ride as a group. My winning gap yesterday should really not be taken into account IMHO.

 

[Brendan Parker]

Just to throw it out there, done an event last night “out and back again” might be too long for a later start as it took an hour, but a bit of everything in there, drag through the desert fugit flats then to volcano then reverse KOM finishing back in the desert. Just a thought, maybe could line that one up for a weekend event??. Good course

 

[Norry1]

It gets a bit difficult with finishing positions in meetups as the line is in different places for everyone. That 15.3 miles is measured exactly from where your warmup trainer was located, so if you were five riders behind someone during the countdown period, your blue finishing line will also be five rider lengths earlier than that other guy. It does mean everyone does the exact same distance, but it doesn't make it easy to tell on screen who won initially - you sometimes have to wait for the results screen to appear.

Yes it was a bit strange. Not that it mattered, but my view showed me coming in 4th, but the results showed me 6th.

I guess one way around this is if we use an actual Zwift Race, all enter A Cat - then 1st team go after 30 seconds (to avoid any help from the Real A's) and the other teams go after their allotted delays. Just a thought.

 

[Whorty]

Agreed. Really liked that race format but not against a scratch race (especially as we have lots of b and c riders, bit different if it was loads of one and not many of the other).

I think 7pm could open things up for a few more people so probably best to decide handicap times when we know who is likely to be there. Or could just start both b teams together (but still race as teams?)

I'm good with scratch too, but then I'll just be looking to latch on to you and @Ketty for as long as possible

 

[<Tommy>]

To be honest if we’re doing the same course Joffey should be in #23.

 

[Whorty]

Without "The Joffey effect" CCC are a completely different team really, so it's hard to draw any conclusions about their handicap from last night. We caught the rest of their team relatively early, but then they'd been riding for Joffey for the first half of the race and maybe sat up a bit when he shot off on his breakaway? But then they might have Whorty back next week which changes things again.

Personally I think if Joffey's not in the team we should keep the time gap as it was last night and see how it pans out as we don't really have any data that justifies changing it yet

If you watch Steve's video of CCC you can see that Joffey pulled the team last night, he certainly wasn't sitting in and saving himself As I said earlier, remove Joffey from CCC and we will go significantly slower as none of us have the watts he has. I certainly wouldn't have the ability to take long pulls, then attack ... I'd be saving myself for the catch and then sitting in whichever team catches us and keeping my nose out the wind.

So, from that point of view, if Joffey is not in CCC then a 2 minute, 3 minute or 4 minute lead wouldn't effect me as my tactic would be exactly the same, but it could be quite demoralising on the rest of the team.

I'd probably say, if @Joffey stays in CCC then taking some time off us would be interesting (30 secs) as he would get caught before the line based on last night, but he may still have me with him too so he may still make the break count.

 

[Whorty]

To be honest if we’re doing the same course Joffey should be in #23.

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