Zwift Chat

[Whorty]

I agree with all of this.

Re the NEO i only recently noticed this and assumed it was a post operation consequence of withered right quad. Dan Lloyd, who is doing the Sufferfest 10 wk training plan also commented on this using,i think,a Kickr and put it down to loss of power through lack of riding. Perhaps it is a NEO/wheel off turbo quirk.

As you know I don't ride IRL much, and even when I do I rarely ride in groups ... but when I did the Dorset sportive last year the group I was with did say to warn others behind in group if they were about to stand up on a climb as the bike can 'shoot' back temporarily. i'd assumed this was because, as you stand you stop pedaling for a fraction, lose power, and slow down. Does this make sense? If it does, is this what Zwift is simulating? Or is it all just bollox

 

[<Tommy>]

I agree with all of this.

Guess it’s true what they say about old dogs!

 

[berty bassett]

I try to look behind before I get out of saddle - if someone is on your wheel I do slow down a bit before it gets back to normal

 

[Whorty]

I try to look behind before I get out of saddle - if someone is on your wheel I do slow down a bit before it gets back to normal

You'll need binoculars to see me behind you on a hill

 

[kipster]

As you know I don't ride IRL much, and even when I do I rarely ride in groups ... but when I did the Dorset sportive last year the group I was with did say to warn others behind in group if they were about to stand up on a climb as the bike can 'shoot' back temporarily. i'd assumed this was because, as you stand you stop pedaling for a fraction, lose power, and slow down. Does this make sense? If it does, is this what Zwift is simulating? Or is it all just bollox

The bike moves backwards as you shift the body weight forward and straighten arms, I don't stop pedaling when I stand. Same as when you sit back down again the bike moves forward. In a group a quick 'up' spoken a split second before you stand is good form.

 

[bobinski]

Guess it’s true what they say about old dogs!

 

[bridgy]

I agree with all of this.

Re the NEO i only recently noticed this and assumed it was a post operation consequence of withered right quad. Dan Lloyd, who is doing the Sufferfest 10 wk training plan also commented on this using,i think,a Kickr and put it down to loss of power through lack of riding. Perhaps it is a NEO/wheel off turbo quirk. Perhaps the answer is to change up gears just before rise out of saddle.

As you know I don't ride IRL much, and even when I do I rarely ride in groups ... but when I did the Dorset sportive last year the group I was with did say to warn others behind in group if they were about to stand up on a climb as the bike can 'shoot' back temporarily. i'd assumed this was because, as you stand you stop pedaling for a fraction, lose power, and slow down. Does this make sense? If it does, is this what Zwift is simulating? Or is it all just bollox

I usually do change up before standing Bob, and I still get that drop in power for a few seconds before it gets to where it should be. Maybe it's an actual drop in power because of the transition to standing that's being picked up by the trainer but I doubt it. The fact that you get the temporary boost in reported power when you do the opposite and drop down a gear and spin faster suggests to me it's just a slight glitch where it gets momentarily thrown by the change of cadence. It's not a big deal as it quickly sorts itself out

 

[LBHIFI]

I've noticed a slight quirk with the Neo with regards power and cadence. If you get out of the saddle to grind a bigger gear, your power initially drops quite a bit, before increasing as it should. If you drop down a gear and spin faster, the opposite happens in that your power initially shoots up before settling back down, even if your cadence remains the same.

Same thing happens with my 4iiii power meter, except it doesn't shoot up when settling back down.

 

[JuhaL]

You'll need binoculars to see me behind you on a hill

...and telescope to see me further

 

[LBHIFI]

Contador and Froome do have different techniques but they both spin a lot faster than pro’s of the 90’s did. Durianrider made a fairly un scientific but still good example when he compared Artmstrong, who was one of the earliest adopters of a higher cadence style to his piers who often grinded it out. It’s really striking how much things have changed in a short time.

Now everyone rides a much higher cadence as they recognise its more efficient long term. You just saying that, it’s made me think maybe this is one of the things that could be causing you to cramp on occasion later on in rides.

I remember how Brian Holm, helper for Bjarne Riis (what do you call this type of rider?), in an interview a few years ago, mentioned how they use to beg Walter GodeFrood to put on lighter gearing for the Alps. The response was that if they couldn't cope with what was given to them, they could always just go home and don't come back.

Maybe there's a little more room for individualism theese days.

 

[<Tommy>]

I remember how Brian Holm, helper for Bjarne Riis (what do you call this type of rider?), in an interview a few years ago, mentioned how they use to beg Walter GodeFrood to put on lighter gearing for the Alps. The response was that if they couldn't cope with what was given to them, they could always just go home and don't come back.

Maybe there's a little more room for individualism theese days.

I think the peloton realised it’s much better to spin than to be macho!

There’s a good podcast where Armstrong is talking about Froome using a 32 or 34 for some stages. He said in his day lots of the guys were still using a straight block thinking anything else is a sign of weakness. Armstrong for all the controversy was an amazing rider and he led the way.
Now when you look at the best climbers they all spin. It’s just much more efficient. Even Tom Dumoulin spins by 90’s standard.

 

[JuhaL]

I remember how Brian Holm, helper for Bjarne Riis (what do you call this type of rider?), in an interview a few years ago, mentioned how they use to beg Walter GodeFrood to put on lighter gearing for the Alps. The response was that if they couldn't cope with what was given to them, they could always just go home and don't come back.

Maybe there's a little more room for individualism theese days.

I think especially with bike fitting is happened a lot past few decades. One good example of extremity is Adam Hansen, he is set his ride position in his own way, basically against of all traditional methods. Pro cycling is more scientific now than ever before i think. Lot of data can now use and show as an evidence what technique is best for each individuals.

 

[CXRAndy]

For me spinning is a fatigue reducing method. I found my Tenerife tour was relatively easy day on day and not leg busting by keeping a cadence over 90 for the mornings and just let it drop away in the afternoon. I however make the most power @75 rpm for short events

 

[uclown2002]

Assume you guys on Neos know that it averages power internally over 3s? The lag will be obvious when sprinting or putting in a big effort.
That is reason I use my quarq dfour as the power source as it reacts immediately.

 

[theboxers]

E-sports have many issues, but this is quite scary going forward. Referred from DCR's website.

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