Rob3rt
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You will struggle to validate this assertion! Your "pudding" is essentially you saying "I did stuff".
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You will struggle to validate this assertion! Your "pudding" is essentially you saying "I did stuff".
Ah my bad. I can see it now. This is the (in)famous Ronnstad paper that no-one else has been able to replicate. I think the consensus is that the methodology is flawed....
This is what Dr Coggan had to say about it:
Whoa is right: the E and E+S groups start in different places, but end up being essentially the same.
Thus, one interpretation of the results is that the data reflect a type I error, i.e., the E+S subjects weren't as fit as the E subjects coming into the study, and hence improved as a result of the E training, not the +S training. The above would fit with the fact that the E+S subjects had a measurable number of type IIX fibers initially (cf. Fig. 4), which were converted to type IIA, whereas no changes were seen in the E group (the data from which are strikingly omitted the review).
madpensioner
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I do not wish to validate anything - it has worked for me - I dont have to prove any thing to anyone - now please do not make contact with me again
Thats an interesting argument, and certainly one that could explain the results.
Nice to have a post answered with some evidence to back it up
Rob3rt
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I rode up a hill once, got Strava to prove it, must have been the squats!
michaelcycle
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Wow, this has moved on huh?
In the context of weight lifting strength has a different application than in cycling. It is neuromuscular meaning the ability of your central nervous system and recruitment of contractile muscle tissue to move a maximal load over short periods of time generally in the absence of oxygen (anaerobically.) In cycling strength is the ability to move a very light load over multiple revolutions per minute over much longer periods of time by the use of mainly the cardiovascular system in the presence of oxygen (aerobically.) They are opposite ends of the spectrum really and opposing goals. However, if you have the "strength" to walk then you have sufficient "strength" to cycle because the load bearing requirement is very small (and hence why endurance cyclists are more at risk of osteopenia etc)
Does weight training confer any additional benefit to cycle performance than doing just cycle specific training? It's possible but in reality highly doubtful. Specificity will always be the trump card. As an addition to a cycling program if you have time it may be of some use for a variety of non performance related issued (also IIRC there is a study where adding weight training on to an endurance programme increases the amount of mitochondria more than endurance training alone although the reasons were not really known) However, this does not necessarily equate to an increase in performance.
Anecdotally, if someone has seen a positive influence on their chosen sport by cross training that is terrific. However, that does not mean simply because there is a correlation that it was causative of that improvement.
In the context of weight lifting strength has a different application than in cycling. It is neuromuscular meaning the ability of your central nervous system and recruitment of contractile muscle tissue to move a maximal load over short periods of time generally in the absence of oxygen (anaerobically.) In cycling strength is the ability to move a very light load over multiple revolutions per minute over much longer periods of time by the use of mainly the cardiovascular system in the presence of oxygen (aerobically.) They are opposite ends of the spectrum really and opposing goals. However, if you have the "strength" to walk then you have sufficient "strength" to cycle because the load bearing requirement is very small (and hence why endurance cyclists are more at risk of osteopenia etc)
Does weight training confer any additional benefit to cycle performance than doing just cycle specific training? It's possible but in reality highly doubtful. Specificity will always be the trump card. As an addition to a cycling program if you have time it may be of some use for a variety of non performance related issued (also IIRC there is a study where adding weight training on to an endurance programme increases the amount of mitochondria more than endurance training alone although the reasons were not really known) However, this does not necessarily equate to an increase in performance.
Anecdotally, if someone has seen a positive influence on their chosen sport by cross training that is terrific. However, that does not mean simply because there is a correlation that it was causative of that improvement.
michaelcycle
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I wish that were the case. I can squat 2x my BW for reps but the bloke rolling backwards down a hill? That would be me...
He was responding to the flounce above by the oddbod OAP.
michaelcycle
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Lol - I got that it was tongue in cheek mate
However I know first hand that having a high degree of neuromuscular strength adaptation doesn't account for a hill of beans generally in being a proficient cyclist. Which kinda sucks...
Dusty Bin
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Rather than confusing things by attempting to subdivide different meanings of the word, I just prefer to use the dictionary definition of 'strength' - ie the quality or state of being physically strong, or our ability to generate force. Your definition of strength in cycling terms is actually a definition of aerobic capability, and not a definition of 'strength' at all.
Hacienda71
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michaelcycle
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Fair point but I guess that is where most of the issue arises - what springs to people's minds when talking about a "strong" cyclist. Obviously there is a legitimate strength requirement in cycling but it is very low but it relates more to a highly conditioned aerobic capacity.
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