Where have all the anti-vaxxers gone?

[Milzy]

Sorry for going off topic & thanks for keeping the debate going. There is a lot of misinformation out there but there’s nothing wrong with talking to people about it.

 

[Johnno260]

I'm sure it's just a coincidence that it started in a city which also contained one of the world’s leading labs on coronaviruses.

I'm also sure genetic markers in the genome would indicate if this was so.

Time will tell.

 

[Rocky]

Please can we keep the discussions focused on anti-vaxers, as per the title.......if anyone want to start a discussion about the origins of Covid, then start another thread.

 

[C R]

Not the furin cleavage canard again, only conspiracy sites talk about that as evidence of the virus being engineered. Furin cleavage is a natural feature of coronaviruses:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1873506120304165

 

[Alex321]

I'm sure it's just a coincidence that it started in a city which also contained one of the world’s leading labs on coronaviruses.

Why do you believe that?

And if you were being sarcastic, then why, given I had said it was probable?

 

[Johnno260]

Not the furin cleavage canard again, only conspiracy sites talk about that as evidence of the virus being engineered. Furin cleavage is a natural feature of coronaviruses:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1873506120304165

A CSPAN from 2016 has been doing to rounds (AGAIN) with Peter Daszak, they claim if proves this whole thing was a setup, but it's conspiracy theorists clutching at straws.

I can link the tweet if people want a 30s out of context clip.

 

[ClichéGuevara]

I'm also sure genetic markers in the genome would indicate if this was so.

Time will tell.

According to the researchers, they already have, and more.

 

[Johnno260]

According to the researchers, they already have, and more.

That's a positive claim, so lets see the evidence then.

Edit: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

 

[Fat Lars]

Not the furin cleavage canard again, only conspiracy sites talk about that as evidence of the virus being engineered. Furin cleavage is a natural feature of coronaviruses:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1873506120304165

From the Lancet October 2021
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanmic/article/PIIS2666-5247(21)00174-9/fulltext

For coronaviruses, furin cleavage sites at the interface of the S1 and S2 domain are not unusual, being found widely in betacoronaviruses in the embeco lineage (which are considered to be of rodent origin) as well as in avian-origin gammacoronaviruses and certain feline and canine alphacoronaviruses (with an unknown origin). Furin cleavage sites are also found in certain bat-origin MERS-like merbecovirises, but not—with the exception of SARS-CoV-2—in the sarbecovirus lineage. The presence of a furin cleavage motif at the SARS-CoV-2 S1–S2 interface is therefore highly unusual, leading to the smoking gun hypothesis of manipulation that has recently gained considerable attention as a possible origin of SARS-CoV-2.

I'm not saying that's proof mind.

 

[ClichéGuevara]

That's a positive claim, so lets see the evidence then.

Edit: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

It's not an extraordinary claim, but I'm damned if I'm digging out the stuff I've read, which you will no doubt claim as a victory, so enjoy.

 

[Ming the Merciless]

I thought Furin Cleavage sites was a play on a foreign page 3 websites. From above looks like proper spelling!

 

[Fat Lars]

As a general observation it is sometimes worth listening to people you disagree with. You can very often learn something.

 

[Johnno260]

It's not an extraordinary claim, but I'm damned if I'm digging out the stuff I've read, which you will no doubt claim as a victory, so enjoy.

I knew you would say that, classic conspiracy response, “do your own research”

A claim without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

 

[ClichéGuevara]

I knew you would say that, classic conspiracy response, “do your own research”

A claim without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

Okey doke.

 

[Ming the Merciless]

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