The Football.....

[ClichéGuevara]

Listing those points totals in isolation without comparisons are meaningless.
When Potter left Brighton they were 4th having just battered my team (Leicester City) 5 - 2.
Alan Shearer and Danny Murphy both agree that Chelsea was a ' poisoned chalice' with the owners scattergun approach to buying players.
You seem to believe it's all Potters fault. Seems like 'deja vu' all over again 😀
to me. Thomas Tucel won the Champions League, was 'showered' with nearly £300 mil worth of new players and then sacked after 20 months.
Potter barely had a chance, Chelsea is a 'headless giant' and you and many other Chelsea fans have tunnel vision, refuse to see the big picture and prefer to lump all the blame on Potter.

Chelsea are still really just a Division 2 side that won the lottery of Russian money.

They demonstrate that 'success' can be bought rather than earned and serve as an example for much of what is wrong with the Premier League.

 

[T4tomo]

Chelsea are still really just a Division 2 side that won the lottery of Russian money.

They demonstrate that 'success' can be bought rather than earned and serve as an example for much of what is wrong with the Premier League.

Indeed I would blame the owners, they bought players, but not a team.
Contrast with Newcastle. who have money, and a good young manager, but not necessarily a star name manager. they bought wisely the players the manager wanted.

 

[vickster]

I’m rather glad Chelsea spent a ridiculous amount on Mudryk and Arsenal Trossard at least in the context of this season

You can blame the manager for team selection but once the players are on the pitch, surely it’s up to them to at least make some effort to deliver. They’re highly paid pros who’ve all been such for many years, not 9 year old kids

 

[Alex321]

But that is my point, I was talking about success in the grand scheme of things.

41 to 51 points over a season for Brighton may well be fabulous but Potter has dragged us down to a similar level this season - and for CFC that is an absolute disaster.

We can shilly-shally around OTT comments (not at all bothered by what other people think on that front tbh - everyone is entitled to their opinion) but the fact remains (imo) that the guy was way out of his depth and it is beyond bizzarre that he was even considered let alone appointed. Possibly, or more likely probably, a case of the new owner's naivety re Football.



But in the context of the generally accepted Top 6 clubs his performance was very average.

No doubt he will find a berth at another club but I can't ever see him leading a title winning team in the EPL or CL.

If that is what you had said from the start, nobody would have argued.

 

[yello]

Well, Brendon Rogers has gone, too little too late for this Foxes supporter.

This one too. He'd become the very definition of Einstein/quantum (call it what you will) insanity. He once boasted he had no plan B, that he just tried plan A harder - and that was apparent. Every week we repeated the same mistakes whilst hoping for a different outcome. We were only going one way with him in charge - down - as he seemed steadfastly wedded to his own ideas and would not change. We've a glimmer of a chance now but it's still an ask. Rodgers has crushed the belief and confidence of this team. Decent players discarded because they didn't fit his model. Imo, it matters not who we bring in at this stage as it's down to the players over the next couple of weeks. Can they pick themselves up and start believing in themselves?

 

[Scaleyback]

This one too. He'd become the very definition of Einstein/quantum (call it what you will) insanity. He once boasted he had no plan B, that he just tried plan A harder - and that was apparent. Every week we repeated the same mistakes whilst hoping for a different outcome. We were only going one way with him in charge - down - as he seemed steadfastly wedded to his own ideas and would not change. We've a glimmer of a chance now but it's still an ask. Rodgers has crushed the belief and confidence of this team. Decent players discarded because they didn't fit his model. Imo, it matters not who we bring in at this stage as it's down to the players over the next couple of weeks. Can they pick themselves up and start believing in themselves?

I agree. Seemed to make a decision on a player and there was no going back. Caglar Soyuncu was a revelation at centre back after Harry Maguire left. The team and Soyuncu had a bad spell and Soyuncu has probably never been picked as a 1st team starter since. He has 'pace' something the defence has been crying out for.

 

[AndyRM]

Rodgers is a poor manager, I've never understood why he's so highly rated. Done nowt until he went to Celtic, which is hardly a challenging job.

 

[yello]

The team and Soyuncu had a bad spell and Soyuncu has probably never been picked as a 1st team starter since.

I don't think we'll ever know the truth behind that particular story. Dropped for supposedly pulling out of a tackle then side-lined for his attitude on the training pitch. From EPL team of the year to a forgotten man in next to no time. Yet whatever might have happened, it seems not to concern Atletico Madrid who have purportedly reached agreement to sign him up (on a free) next summer. Rodgers might complain about no signings (which is a selective pov used as an excuse) but he seems unable to get the best out of those he has. It made my day yesterday when I heard the news he'd left. About the best news the club's had for a few years imo.

 

[yello]

Rodgers is a poor manager, I've never understood why he's so highly rated.

It was infuriating week after week hearing pundits and journalists sing his praises. I've no idea how he's created that perception but the opinion many had of Rodgers was almost in stark contrast to the reality. He seemed extraordinarily limited to me; sure, fine when the going was good but totally unable to adapt, revise or change direction. He had but one vision and was in perpetual pursuit of it.

I could write a paper on what I see to be the whys of that but the short of it is that, for me, he's single-tracked and lacks the breadth of vision and willingness to adapt required to be a top manager.

 

[Alex321]

Rodgers is a poor manager, I've never understood why he's so highly rated. Done nowt until he went to Celtic, which is hardly a challenging job.

He got us promoted to the Premier League.

But as with Potter, I don't think he is cut out to be a manager of a serious top level team with genuine aspirations of top 6 Premier league finishes.

He is a decent enough manager in leagues with less variability in the opposition, and where there aren't as many star (diva?) players with expectations to manage.

 

[AndyRM]

He got us promoted to the Premier League.

But as with Potter, I don't think he is cut out to be a manager of a serious top level team with genuine aspirations of top 6 Premier league finishes.

He is a decent enough manager in leagues with less variability in the opposition, and where there aren't as many star (diva?) players with expectations to manage.

Yeah, via the playoffs...

Potter is a better manager by far. He built a proper side at Brighton. Boehly doesn't have a clue how to run a football club and has basically just thrown money and players at Chelsea, so it's no wonder Potter couldn't make it work; I doubt he actually wanted any of the signings.

 

[yello]

so it's no wonder Potter couldn't make it work; I doubt he actually wanted any of the signings.

I think it probably made his life more difficult having that many new faces, and I think it was difficult enough as it was.

 

[Beebo]

Palace will need a new manager too come June

At least they don’t have to make a panic appointment.

Hopefully they are investing time already to pick the right person.

The problem with a team like Palace is that finishing 11-17th each season is starting to get boring for the fans.

They need to push on but what can they realistically achieve?

 

[Scaleyback]

I have just been listening to a Podcast which included Pat Nevin (ex Chelsea) talking about Potter's sacking.
Nevin rated him very unlucky with the last match against Aston Villa 'typical' of their struggles.
Chelsea had 27 shots, 8 on target and 69% of the possession.
Aston Villa had 5 shots, 2 goals.
Yet many/most ? of the Chelsea supporters view is this is Potters fault ?
Pat Nevin went on to quote Graham Potter who " revealed that he has not made the final decision on all of the club's recent dealings."
Someone certainly needs sacking, but is it Potter ? is it the 'eye-wateringly' expensive players who seem unable to hit a 'barn door at 5 paces' ?
Or maybe the Chelsea hierarchy who selected these players and foistered them on Potter ?

 

[AndyRM]

I have just been listening to a Podcast which included Pat Nevin (ex Chelsea) talking about Potter's sacking.
Nevin rated him very unlucky with the last match against Aston Villa 'typical' of their struggles.
Chelsea had 27 shots, 8 on target and 69% of the possession.
Aston Villa had 5 shots, 2 goals.
Yet many/most ? of the Chelsea supporters view is this is Potters fault ?
Pat Nevin went on to quote Graham Potter who " revealed that he has not made the final decision on all of the club's recent dealings."
Someone certainly needs sacking, but is it Potter ? is it the 'eye-wateringly' expensive players who seem unable to hit a 'barn door at 5 paces' ?
Or maybe the Chelsea hierarchy who selected these players and foistered them on Potter ?

Nevin was some player, and one of the few pundits who actually provides an insight into the game and doesn't just trot out the same tired clichés.