I was hoping for the stocks with food being thrown at me
Not tomatoes though, not keen on them. Can I ask for mars bars 
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Not tomatoes though, not keen on them. Can I ask for mars bars 
is at 176 for me.What exactly is the situation with this cheat?
If you turn the power off on the turbo trainer the BSIM software continues at exactly the same power, speed and cadence. You could stop pedalling (I didn't) and you avatar would still fly through the course
Which Bkool trainer? - Pro, Classic
I have a Pro. No idea if other models are the same but I would assume so.
Just using Bkool/Bsim?
Yes. Not tested on Zwift but could be worth it for someone to test and see if it is a BKool only bug (likely).
What are people doing - turning the power on/off to the trainer during the ride?
In my test yes, I actively turned the power off using a remote control.
How does that work then? If no data transmission from trainer to the application how is any speed activated?
No idea how it works technically, or why it works that way, but I do know that as soon as the power to the trainer is cut the avatar continues at the same speed and watts. What is interesting though is the watts now showing do not effect the average watts for the ride, hence why I was still only 3.3 watts/kilo. I was watching the ave watts counter on screen which was about 280, and even when I was cruising at 450 the average didn't increase. This I guess is why it is hard to spot straight away, although me being able to post that time at only 3.3 watts / kilo should be a red flag.
I didn't see what @bridgy saw, which was the watts/speed dropping off after a certain amount of time (30 seconds?), but then I was only using the cheat for short burst to get over lumps. This short usage clearly also fooled the graphs as unless I had said what I did I'm not sure anyone would have spotted it.
As for a fix. As I've said for two days, if anyone wants to use this with Bkool as an example of the bug/cheat then feel free. I did it as a test NOT to gain time on the SC and now we can prove it's an easy cheat we should get them to fix it. I would have thought putting in an extra system test, something like testing if speed and /or watts stay flat for 10 seconds (5 seconds too short?) then the ride should be blocked.
I also think that my ride should be removed from the league but given BKool can't remove the ELITE rides and they are easily spotted as fake I don't think they will be able to do it hence why I said I will handicap myself next time by riding with @Jim Brown
MasterDabber
Über Member
- Location
- Surrey and the Lot in France
What exactly is the situation with this cheat?
If you turn the power off on the turbo trainer the BSIM software continues at exactly the same power, speed and cadence. You could stop pedalling (I didn't) and you avatar would still fly through the course
Which Bkool trainer? - Pro, Classic
I have a Pro. No idea if other models are the same but I would assume so.
Just using Bkool/Bsim?
Yes. Not tested on Zwift but could be worth it for someone to test and see if it is a BKool only bug (likely).
What are people doing - turning the power on/off to the trainer during the ride?
In my test yes, I actively turned the power off using a remote control.
How does that work then? If no data transmission from trainer to the application how is any speed activated?
No idea how it works technically, or why it works that way, but I do know that as soon as the power to the trainer is cut the avatar continues at the same speed and watts. What is interesting though is the watts now showing do not effect the average watts for the ride, hence why I was still only 3.3 watts/kilo. I was watching the ave watts counter on screen which was about 280, and even when I was cruising at 450 the average didn't increase. This I guess is why it is hard to spot straight away, although me being able to post that time at only 3.3 watts / kilo should be a red flag.
I didn't see what @bridgy saw, which was the watts/speed dropping off after a certain amount of time (30 seconds?), but then I was only using the cheat for short burst to get over lumps. This short usage clearly also fooled the graphs as unless I had said what I did I'm not sure anyone would have spotted it.
As for a fix. As I've said for two days, if anyone wants to use this with Bkool as an example of the bug/cheat then feel free. I did it as a test NOT to gain time on the SC and now we can prove it's an easy cheat we should get them to fix it. I would have thought putting in an extra system test, something like testing if speed and /or watts stay flat for 10 seconds (5 seconds too short?) then the ride should be blocked.
I also think that my ride should be removed from the league but given BKool can't remove the ELITE rides and they are easily spotted as fake I don't think they will be able to do it hence why I said I will handicap myself next time by riding with @Jim Brown
Thanks Whorty. It's a funny old world. It doesn't effect me as I don't use Bkool anymore and I'm only really interested in competing against my own performances.
You're welcome. I only compete against myself too as only I can be sure that I am going like for like. Racing others is fun but there is never any real confidence that you are really racing someone of the same ability as yourself.
As for the cheat, there was lots of talk about it and to be honest I wasn't convinced it worked. I also felt a bit sorry for the Spanish guy as he was being held up as someone who performs the cheat with no real proof. Well, we have proof now the cheat is viable, but still no proof that he actually uses it. It could be a bug on his trainer?!?
Anyway, if someone can be bothered to use their energy to contact BKool to get this closed down we now have a bona fide ride where we 100% know that the cheat was used. We have all the stats and a user who can even explain to BKool how it was done should they want to know
I was hoping for the stocks with food being thrown at me
mars bars now where my remote control
what would the outcome be if we lost wifi connection during a ride would it be similar
Come on @Brusgaard using ghosts isn't a "Cyclechat" thing!! - many people do it as it's an inherent feature of the system, so why wouldn't they?
If you challenge someone's ride in the league, you get all the ghosts they themselves had, unless you manually remove them. Most of the time I find those I challenge in the league - usually NOT Cyclechat members - have LOADS of ghosts included.
It's just part of the "game" - in fact I think it's actually a good feature that allows you to still have a "race" with your main rivals even if you can't all do it live at the same time. Yes it's potentially an advantage, but one that everyone has. If I was in a league that made it against the rules I would of course respect that though.
As for using "a number of special timed ghosts (think ghosts with 10 secs interval in finish time) so that you can draft your way trough the race" - seriously?? How the hell would you set this up?? Can't see that as being a real "thing" at all.
Despite how you seem to feel Brusgaard, in my experience all the long term regulars on Cyclechat play fair. In fact if anything people on here are likely to HIGHLIGHT and DISCUSS things that give an advantage (including an UNFAIR advantage) rather than secretly benefit from it.
No, not the same at all - if you just lose wifi signal it keeps recording the ride offline until the connection comes back and the ride will remain pretty much normal. (You do of course lose sight of other live riders during the time you're offline though)
Cheating bwastards... I bet McCheatface has done it...
My performance is so poor, even cheating wouldn't help me. doesnt there have to be a performance to enhance?
@Whorty - if you're planing on doing a seven minute slow one, do you want to join me on SC 10? I'll try keep up..
Brusgaard
Über Guru
- Location
- Skive, Denmark
Come on @Brusgaard using ghosts isn't a "Cyclechat" thing!! - many people do it as it's an inherent feature of the system, so why wouldn't they?
If you challenge someone's ride in the league, you get all the ghosts they themselves had, unless you manually remove them. Most of the time I find those I challenge in the league - usually NOT Cyclechat members - have LOADS of ghosts included.
It's just part of the "game" - in fact I think it's actually a good feature that allows you to still have a "race" with your main rivals even if you can't all do it live at the same time. Yes it's potentially an advantage, but one that everyone has. If I was in a league that made it against the rules I would of course respect that though.
I like the idea of challenges and use that myself as previously stated. Not so much because I want to challenge certain persons (except @Whorty
), but because it's the easist/quickest way to simulate a real race.
As for using "a number of special timed ghosts (think ghosts with 10 secs interval in finish time) so that you can draft your way trough the race" - seriously?? How the hell would you set this up?? Can't see that as being a real "thing" at all.
As I said, I haven't tried it, but I suppose you could go the rankings page of the session you want to ride and find the riders you need for a set time.
If you think you can ride that session at 40:00 with a little "help", I would program like 20 ghosts, 10 (at 10 sec intervals) above 41:00, 5 at around 40:00 and 5 just below 40:00. At the start of the race you could then power on together with/draft the faster riders, and in the end some of the slower ones, finishing somewhere in the middle, i.e. at around 40:00. Drafting even the ones below 40 would save you the energy to do a full on sprint at the last 1-2ks and gain 10-20 seconds that way. I agree it would be hard/take some time to find the right ghosts, just by looking at their finish time, as some riders are fast at the start, and slow in the end, and the other way around, and others might be going at a steady pace throughout the race.
Despite how you seem to feel Brusgaard, in my experience all the long term regulars on Cyclechat play fair. In fact if anything people on here are likely to HIGHLIGHT and DISCUSS things that give an advantage (including an UNFAIR advantage) rather than secretly benefit from it.
I have no problem discussing various cheats, but actually putting them to use, is where the chain comes off. Again, these tests should not be conducted on league rides, or at least stopped before crossing the finish line, JUST like you did!
I suppose doing a local bike race on some experimental super drug and winning wouldn't be at all popular, even if I admitted it the day after.
If you challenge someone's ride in the league, you get all the ghosts they themselves had, unless you manually remove them. Most of the time I find those I challenge in the league - usually NOT Cyclechat members - have LOADS of ghosts included.
It's just part of the "game" - in fact I think it's actually a good feature that allows you to still have a "race" with your main rivals even if you can't all do it live at the same time. Yes it's potentially an advantage, but one that everyone has. If I was in a league that made it against the rules I would of course respect that though.
I like the idea of challenges and use that myself as previously stated. Not so much because I want to challenge certain persons (except @Whorty
), but because it's the easist/quickest way to simulate a real race.As for using "a number of special timed ghosts (think ghosts with 10 secs interval in finish time) so that you can draft your way trough the race" - seriously?? How the hell would you set this up?? Can't see that as being a real "thing" at all.
As I said, I haven't tried it, but I suppose you could go the rankings page of the session you want to ride and find the riders you need for a set time.
If you think you can ride that session at 40:00 with a little "help", I would program like 20 ghosts, 10 (at 10 sec intervals) above 41:00, 5 at around 40:00 and 5 just below 40:00. At the start of the race you could then power on together with/draft the faster riders, and in the end some of the slower ones, finishing somewhere in the middle, i.e. at around 40:00. Drafting even the ones below 40 would save you the energy to do a full on sprint at the last 1-2ks and gain 10-20 seconds that way. I agree it would be hard/take some time to find the right ghosts, just by looking at their finish time, as some riders are fast at the start, and slow in the end, and the other way around, and others might be going at a steady pace throughout the race.
Despite how you seem to feel Brusgaard, in my experience all the long term regulars on Cyclechat play fair. In fact if anything people on here are likely to HIGHLIGHT and DISCUSS things that give an advantage (including an UNFAIR advantage) rather than secretly benefit from it.
I have no problem discussing various cheats, but actually putting them to use, is where the chain comes off. Again, these tests should not be conducted on league rides, or at least stopped before crossing the finish line, JUST like you did!
I suppose doing a local bike race on some experimental super drug and winning wouldn't be at all popular, even if I admitted it the day after.
What exactly is the situation with this cheat?
If you turn the power off on the turbo trainer the BSIM software continues at exactly the same power, speed and cadence. You could stop pedalling (I didn't) and you avatar would still fly through the course
Which Bkool trainer? - Pro, Classic
I have a Pro. No idea if other models are the same but I would assume so.
Just using Bkool/Bsim?
Yes. Not tested on Zwift but could be worth it for someone to test and see if it is a BKool only bug (likely).
What are people doing - turning the power on/off to the trainer during the ride?
In my test yes, I actively turned the power off using a remote control.
How does that work then? If no data transmission from trainer to the application how is any speed activated?
No idea how it works technically, or why it works that way, but I do know that as soon as the power to the trainer is cut the avatar continues at the same speed and watts. What is interesting though is the watts now showing do not effect the average watts for the ride, hence why I was still only 3.3 watts/kilo. I was watching the ave watts counter on screen which was about 280, and even when I was cruising at 450 the average didn't increase. This I guess is why it is hard to spot straight away, although me being able to post that time at only 3.3 watts / kilo should be a red flag.
I didn't see what @bridgy saw, which was the watts/speed dropping off after a certain amount of time (30 seconds?), but then I was only using the cheat for short burst to get over lumps. This short usage clearly also fooled the graphs as unless I had said what I did I'm not sure anyone would have spotted it.
As for a fix. As I've said for two days, if anyone wants to use this with Bkool as an example of the bug/cheat then feel free. I did it as a test NOT to gain time on the SC and now we can prove it's an easy cheat we should get them to fix it. I would have thought putting in an extra system test, something like testing if speed and /or watts stay flat for 10 seconds (5 seconds too short?) then the ride should be blocked.
I also think that my ride should be removed from the league but given BKool can't remove the ELITE rides and they are easily spotted as fake I don't think they will be able to do it hence why I said I will handicap myself next time by riding with @Jim Brown
You cheeky..... yeh all right then...
Goldwolfie
Veteran
- Location
- Chesterfield
I think I'll be in the dog house a bit later when Mrs GW gets back home.
I've been away for a couple of days helping my son move house with no internet access.
Logged on this morning to catch up, and my goodness Whorty you have certainly stirred things and livened the forum up. Monday's to do list has taken a back seat, and I don't think me telling Mrs GW that Whorty has admitted to cheating is going to cut any ice as an excuse.
This can happen with a dodgy turbo as I had the same symptoms when my turbo lost power intermittantly during rides. It was only when my speed started to drop to zero that I realised that I had lost power to the turbo - I never noticed the power boost, but then I never really know what's going on. Each time it happened I had to get off and poke a cocktail stick down the reset hole - so any power gains were well and truly nullified. Seeing me reaching for the kitchen steps to get off and back on is not a pretty sight, and is quite a lengthy experience.
Anyway I stripped my turbo down a re-soldered the power connections to the logic board, and also tightened a loose earth connection to the stepping motor, and touch wood I haven't had any reoccurences over the last month - touch wood.
Anyway Shorty if you need a ghost to follow to repent on the SC10, pick mine as it will push you back several pages on the overall rankings, as I believe there are some of those hilly bits and I ain't too good on them.
I've been away for a couple of days helping my son move house with no internet access.
Logged on this morning to catch up, and my goodness Whorty you have certainly stirred things and livened the forum up. Monday's to do list has taken a back seat, and I don't think me telling Mrs GW that Whorty has admitted to cheating is going to cut any ice as an excuse.
This can happen with a dodgy turbo as I had the same symptoms when my turbo lost power intermittantly during rides. It was only when my speed started to drop to zero that I realised that I had lost power to the turbo - I never noticed the power boost, but then I never really know what's going on. Each time it happened I had to get off and poke a cocktail stick down the reset hole - so any power gains were well and truly nullified. Seeing me reaching for the kitchen steps to get off and back on is not a pretty sight, and is quite a lengthy experience.
Anyway I stripped my turbo down a re-soldered the power connections to the logic board, and also tightened a loose earth connection to the stepping motor, and touch wood I haven't had any reoccurences over the last month - touch wood.
Anyway Shorty if you need a ghost to follow to repent on the SC10, pick mine as it will push you back several pages on the overall rankings, as I believe there are some of those hilly bits and I ain't too good on them.
I'm very sceptical that what you've described is in any way realistic for getting some kind of easy draft through the race to the end. Why don't you do an experimental ride and report your results on here....
