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AAAC 76C
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No that is being robbed!
<Tommy>
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On your lightweight wooshy tubs? I can understand the disappointment.
Bit of drafting?...
261w.
W/pk?
Nah, making me tougher. Looking for 4w/pk by Xmas - IoW should be. A nice recovery ride.
The 'wooshy tubs' or drafting just effect the speed Bob.... The watts don't lie
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<Tommy>
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- Camden, London
I can't bring myself to pay someone to do something I can just about blag myself. But halfway through painting a room a wish I had!
Randyberlin
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- Sitka, Alaska
This is tied into cycling by way of "paying" for my upcoming 3 week ride. I also have to haul her camera gear around the Yukon again next week.
Randyberlin
Guru
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- Sitka, Alaska
It's called Safari Bisque believe it or not. Don't call it beige.
Daddy Pig
Veteran
Strange name. It would imply that it is the colour of a zebra/giraffe/lion soup! Wonder how they found out...
bobinski
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The 'wooshy tubs' or drafting just effect the speed Bob.... The watts don't lie
bobinski
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- Tulse Hill
The 'wooshy tubs' or drafting just effect the speed Bob.... The watts don't lie
W/k?
That's the last time I'll be honest on here ... cheating all the way in future as you can't actually see that I cheated in the graphs and I could have gotten away with it if I wasn't so honest .... hey, hold on, an honest cheat?!? 
Not that I have to answer my accusers but I did it because I didn't believe you could cheat this way. I know we've discussed it but I wasn't convinced it was true. I thought the funny graph of Pep's was ERG mode or similar. Be hey, appears it is true but to get the shape of graph that Pep shows I should have left the turbo turned off for minutes not seconds.
I chose the 47km ride because I was going to re-do that anyway, and not being convinced that the power off would work i was expecting it to fail and hence I could just crack on with the ride as planned.
Asking why I didn't stop at the end ... i almost did (you can see by my power going low) but I changed my mind with 300 metres to go. I was wanting to do 2 tests 1. does the cheat work. 2. Will the admins accept the ride when a cheat has been actioned. Only by finishing the ride could I know the second.
If I was really cheating do you think I would have admitted it the next day on an open forum? If I really wanted to cheat I would have kept schtum and used it again and again in the leagues and no one would be the wiser (well, apart from those who I ride with at the IoW when I'm suddenly nowhere near as good as I am on BKool
It's also very unfair to tar anyone else on here as a cheat just because I did this. It was my choice to do this (my wife did warn me that someone on here would take it badly ... must learn to listen to my wife more in future!) and no one else was involved. I also did say on Friday on here that I was going to try it, so it's not like I was hiding the fact either before or after.
I'm more than happy if BKool know. I'll happily tell them what I did and see if they can replicate it and maybe put a fix into their system to stop it. Let's call it UAT
I could also sense @Brusgaard that you was upset Thursday with Bill and I riding together. Seems we shouldn't do re-runs with ghosts, shouldn't ride together on live races .... is there anything we are allowed to do? On live race days many people ride together and draft, some by accident, some intentionally. Surely no different from a ride in the real world?!?
Finally, can I say that most of us here take advantage of a BKool 'cheat' every time we race. We power off the line and gain a massive advantage over those that don't realise you can do that little trick. Should we all not 'cheat' now like this and just ease gently off the line like we do in the real world, or should we just carry on in our manic, enjoyable, suicidally knackering way and just enjoy the races in BKool for what they are - a bit of competitive fun.
p.s. My wife also told me not to respond tonight .... could be she will be right again .. she normally is
Not that I have to answer my accusers but I did it because I didn't believe you could cheat this way. I know we've discussed it but I wasn't convinced it was true. I thought the funny graph of Pep's was ERG mode or similar. Be hey, appears it is true but to get the shape of graph that Pep shows I should have left the turbo turned off for minutes not seconds.
I chose the 47km ride because I was going to re-do that anyway, and not being convinced that the power off would work i was expecting it to fail and hence I could just crack on with the ride as planned.
Asking why I didn't stop at the end ... i almost did (you can see by my power going low) but I changed my mind with 300 metres to go. I was wanting to do 2 tests 1. does the cheat work. 2. Will the admins accept the ride when a cheat has been actioned. Only by finishing the ride could I know the second.
If I was really cheating do you think I would have admitted it the next day on an open forum? If I really wanted to cheat I would have kept schtum and used it again and again in the leagues and no one would be the wiser (well, apart from those who I ride with at the IoW when I'm suddenly nowhere near as good as I am on BKool
It's also very unfair to tar anyone else on here as a cheat just because I did this. It was my choice to do this (my wife did warn me that someone on here would take it badly ... must learn to listen to my wife more in future!) and no one else was involved. I also did say on Friday on here that I was going to try it, so it's not like I was hiding the fact either before or after.
I'm more than happy if BKool know. I'll happily tell them what I did and see if they can replicate it and maybe put a fix into their system to stop it. Let's call it UAT
I could also sense @Brusgaard that you was upset Thursday with Bill and I riding together. Seems we shouldn't do re-runs with ghosts, shouldn't ride together on live races .... is there anything we are allowed to do? On live race days many people ride together and draft, some by accident, some intentionally. Surely no different from a ride in the real world?!?
Finally, can I say that most of us here take advantage of a BKool 'cheat' every time we race. We power off the line and gain a massive advantage over those that don't realise you can do that little trick. Should we all not 'cheat' now like this and just ease gently off the line like we do in the real world, or should we just carry on in our manic, enjoyable, suicidally knackering way and just enjoy the races in BKool for what they are - a bit of competitive fun.
p.s. My wife also told me not to respond tonight .... could be she will be right again .. she normally is
AAAC 76C
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Never got to the bottom of whether Whorty had actually switched his power on and off or whether he though the
Sorry, the power went on my laptop, would you believe it.
On my tablet again now.
Brusgaard
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The riders you mentioned were caught through testing or through witness statements. It's essentially the same thing. Overwhelming evidence. Whorty volunteered the info Bruusgard. You need to stop comparing the two things.
Overwhelming evidence? Unless they are tested positive or found with a syringe in the arm/leg, it's all circumstantial.
Well, AAAC previously admitted to cheating in last years Summer Cup (by building a custom trainer), because he had a suspicion that others did. Worthy did cheat (regardless of his intention to do so or not) by using an already known trick. That's a fact, right? Hence the Team CycleCheat remark.
Both Whorty and aaac have been totally open and honest about what they did and why. Whether you agree with them or not you have no reason to question whether you have to look at things more closely in the future because they will tell you themselves first.
Had I not seen Whorty's post, I would be out on the trainer today, trying to catch those 9 minutes again on that stage. I was sure that I could match his time, seeing he had not been drafting (winning by 5 minutes), and that my own attempt on that stage must have been really bad. Luckily today I went out riding in the real world instead (for the first time in 1 1/2 month). Would have been even more upset, if I'd been on the trainer this morning, before he "confessed", and then not beating his time.
Totally open would mean announcing it, before doing it, just to avoid any confusion.
After spending some months talking with us you should know what type of people we are! A bit mental but not cheats!!!
I would agree, if you leave out the "A bit" part.
Will Sharapova's efforts be questioned in her future tennis endeavours because of her doping/cheating history? Absolutely, and rightfully so.
Again.... sharapova.... don't you see the difference?
If someone has cheated before, or has the means/knowledge to do so, would you 100% trust that person not using it in a pinch, if you can't prove it?
Yes I am a bit hot headed (and sorry for that), but I thought me and Whorty had a nice and fair competition going on, being close to equal on many stages and therefore in the rankings. The after/pre-race banter is part of the fun (otherwise we could all just be competing against unknown Spanish riders). His actions sort of ruined that, intentionally or not.
Don't let it ruin anything dude!! Nothing's changed! We all know the real times. You still hold the same time advantage and we all know that. For what it's worth I agree totally about the drafting thing, I like to think we all do. No one should kid themselves that beating someone's ghost or drafting is the same as winning a live race!
I have to disagree, we actually DON'T know the real times. Maybe Whorty would have improved his time by 1,2 or 3 minutes without cheating, maybe not. The rankings is the only "truth" known to man outside this small forum.
And I meant what I said, I'm definitely looking out for you come the winter leagues
I don't know, if I'll do the Bkool Winter Cup, if the current Summer Cup is anything to go by. Come October the Danish Facebook group races will start again (at 7PM Tuesdays and Thursdays, and 9PM Sundays), and they will be my main focus again. Then on 7PM Wednesdays, another FB group has races as well, sometimes with prizes. That means Bkool racing 4 days of week, and hopefully Saturday/Sunday afternoon on the mountainbike outside. I joined the ChainGang races because the others stopped in March, and needed to keep fit for the Winter Cup races.
Overwhelming evidence? Unless they are tested positive or found with a syringe in the arm/leg, it's all circumstantial.
Well, AAAC previously admitted to cheating in last years Summer Cup (by building a custom trainer), because he had a suspicion that others did. Worthy did cheat (regardless of his intention to do so or not) by using an already known trick. That's a fact, right? Hence the Team CycleCheat remark.
Both Whorty and aaac have been totally open and honest about what they did and why. Whether you agree with them or not you have no reason to question whether you have to look at things more closely in the future because they will tell you themselves first.
Had I not seen Whorty's post, I would be out on the trainer today, trying to catch those 9 minutes again on that stage. I was sure that I could match his time, seeing he had not been drafting (winning by 5 minutes), and that my own attempt on that stage must have been really bad. Luckily today I went out riding in the real world instead (for the first time in 1 1/2 month). Would have been even more upset, if I'd been on the trainer this morning, before he "confessed", and then not beating his time.
Totally open would mean announcing it, before doing it, just to avoid any confusion.
After spending some months talking with us you should know what type of people we are! A bit mental but not cheats!!!
I would agree, if you leave out the "A bit" part.
Will Sharapova's efforts be questioned in her future tennis endeavours because of her doping/cheating history? Absolutely, and rightfully so.
Again.... sharapova.... don't you see the difference?
If someone has cheated before, or has the means/knowledge to do so, would you 100% trust that person not using it in a pinch, if you can't prove it?
Yes I am a bit hot headed (and sorry for that), but I thought me and Whorty had a nice and fair competition going on, being close to equal on many stages and therefore in the rankings. The after/pre-race banter is part of the fun (otherwise we could all just be competing against unknown Spanish riders). His actions sort of ruined that, intentionally or not.
Don't let it ruin anything dude!! Nothing's changed! We all know the real times. You still hold the same time advantage and we all know that. For what it's worth I agree totally about the drafting thing, I like to think we all do. No one should kid themselves that beating someone's ghost or drafting is the same as winning a live race!
I have to disagree, we actually DON'T know the real times. Maybe Whorty would have improved his time by 1,2 or 3 minutes without cheating, maybe not. The rankings is the only "truth" known to man outside this small forum.
And I meant what I said, I'm definitely looking out for you come the winter leagues
I don't know, if I'll do the Bkool Winter Cup, if the current Summer Cup is anything to go by. Come October the Danish Facebook group races will start again (at 7PM Tuesdays and Thursdays, and 9PM Sundays), and they will be my main focus again. Then on 7PM Wednesdays, another FB group has races as well, sometimes with prizes. That means Bkool racing 4 days of week, and hopefully Saturday/Sunday afternoon on the mountainbike outside. I joined the ChainGang races because the others stopped in March, and needed to keep fit for the Winter Cup races.
AAAC 76C
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That's the last time I'll be honest on here ... cheating all the way in future as you can't actually see that I cheated in the graphs and I could have gotten away with it if I wasn't so honest .... hey, hold on, an honest cheat?!?
Not that I have to answer my accusers but I did it because I didn't believe you could cheat this way. I know we've discussed it but I wasn't convinced it was true. I thought the funny graph of Pep's was ERG mode or similar. Be hey, appears it is true but to get the shape of graph that Pep shows I should have left the turbo turned off for minutes not seconds.
I chose the 47km ride because I was going to re-do that anyway, and not being convinced that the power off would work i was expecting it to fail and hence I could just crack on with the ride as planned.
Asking why I didn't stop at the end ... i almost did (you can see by my power going low) but I changed my mind with 300 metres to go. I was wanting to do 2 tests 1. does the cheat work. 2. Will the admins accept the ride when a cheat has been actioned. Only by finishing the ride could I know the second.
If I was really cheating do you think I would have admitted it the next day on an open forum? If I really wanted to cheat I would have kept schtum and used it again and again in the leagues and no one would be the wiser (well, apart from those who I ride with at the IoW when I'm suddenly nowhere near as good as I am on BKool
It's also very unfair to tar anyone else on here as a cheat just because I did this. It was my choice to do this (my wife did warn me that someone on here would take it badly ... must learn to listen to my wife more in future!) and no one else was involved. I also did say on Friday on here that I was going to try it, so it's not like I was hiding the fact either before or after.
I'm more than happy if BKool know. I'll happily tell them what I did and see if they can replicate it and maybe put a fix into their system to stop it. Let's call it UAT
I could also sense @Brusgaard that you was upset Thursday with Bill and I riding together. Seems we shouldn't do re-runs with ghosts, shouldn't ride together on live races .... is there anything we are allowed to do? On live race days many people ride together and draft, some by accident, some intentionally. Surely no different from a ride in the real world?!?
Finally, can I say that most of us here take advantage of a BKool 'cheat' every time we race. We power off the line and gain a massive advantage over those that don't realise you can do that little trick. Should we all not 'cheat' now like this and just ease gently off the line like we do in the real world, or should we just carry on in our manic, enjoyable, suicidally knackering way and just enjoy the races in BKool for what they are - a bit of competitive fun.
p.s. My wife also told me not to respond tonight .... could be she will be right again .. she normally is
I think I spotted Chris From drafting today in the Live Vuelta.
Well him and the other 89 riders behind the front guy!
<Tommy>
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My wife also told me not to respond tonight .... could be she will be right again .. she normally is
I can just about accept the blatant cheating Whorty....
But admitting your wife is normally right!?! This is unforgivable my friend!
AAAC 76C
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You gain a Dane, you loose a Dane.
It's all part of the sport.
That all said, and I don't often stoop to this level but I served in Northern Ireland, the Falklands, the Balkans Conflict and the first Gulf War, not to mention NATO peace keeping in Zimbawe/Rodeshia.
In comparison I don't really give a fig about an online bicycle race but I pobably enjoy it more than being shot at.
And well said Tommy, we really enjoyed coming last in the Nation's Cup last year and I still don't believe your watts up that last climb of the second race and mine in the final Velodrome session.
What was real though was Bridgy's live cramp and your mammoth effort in stage 1 to keep with me.
That one day loosing in BKool was worth a thousand of the others.
I also loved it a few weeks back when 4 of us absolutely steam trained a flat course like we were BMC
It's all part of the sport.
That all said, and I don't often stoop to this level but I served in Northern Ireland, the Falklands, the Balkans Conflict and the first Gulf War, not to mention NATO peace keeping in Zimbawe/Rodeshia.
In comparison I don't really give a fig about an online bicycle race but I pobably enjoy it more than being shot at.
And well said Tommy, we really enjoyed coming last in the Nation's Cup last year and I still don't believe your watts up that last climb of the second race and mine in the final Velodrome session.
What was real though was Bridgy's live cramp and your mammoth effort in stage 1 to keep with me.
That one day loosing in BKool was worth a thousand of the others.
I also loved it a few weeks back when 4 of us absolutely steam trained a flat course like we were BMC
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