Team BKool CycleChat

[Daddy Pig]

Like I have said before.

I intend to live until I'm 100
If you are a teenager until you are 20 then that leave 80 years to be divided between young, middle and old aged.
So I was:
1. A young man from 20 to 46.66666 years old
2. I'll be a middle aged man until I am 73.33333
So at 57 I am only 2 years into mid-middle age and have another 6 years in the bracket.

Only 43 years left of being senile then!

 

[Bored Man]

Now you have started and argument, but sorry I don't accept that.

I think the UK voted to close it's borders and pile more money into the NHS and didn't really have a clue about all of the side effects not to mention that the two things they thought they would get might not happen anyway.

At the end of the day it was only a 2% majority for (52/48) and I am sure more than 2% of the 'for' voters voted on one or booth of those subjects only.

If the power had been turned off at 21.45 for 10 minutes, would the vote have gone the other way?

 

[Bored Man]

Free the SW Wiltshire 1

 

[Brusgaard]

Do I like these things? No. But I accept them to be true. We don't agree or condone cheating by accepting it happens.

The difference between Whorty and the other people you mentioned is that they were caught. Whorty admitted he gained an advantage the next day. Maybe what Whorty did wasn't perfect. But your comments are very unfortunate and a bit insulting.

Maybe change the name to cyclecheat? Really? Maybe question our nation cup results? Well I was part of that team this year. We came rock bottom last and were still very happy because we knew that we absolutely killed ourselves for every point we'd won. And we did that knowing there was a very good chance at least one Spanish rider would not play by the rules... I have no doubt next years team will try just as hard in an honest way and to question that is an insult and very unessasary.
If you want to get pissed off about what you feel Whorty did what sort of reaction do you expect from this type of comment that you made?

Some people don't like seeing arguments and I can understand that. Fine. I'm not one for sitting on the fence. Maybe change our name to cyclecheat? I think you need to apologise for that comment or get the fuk out of here. Seriously. We're all honest here. Including you I believe. That type of comment is total bullshit.

I think you're a good guy Bruusgard so that's why I can talk straight with you. And I like the fact you're competitive and may I say a little hot headed. Things we have in common!! I'm very much looking forward to racing vs you this winter. But I think you need to take a little step back from what you're saying. None of us like cheating here. As Bob says, get angry with bkool, not eachother!

As far as I recall, neither Ullrich nor Riis was caught, but their team mates confessions eventually made them confess as well. The same thing happened with other Danish riders like Brian Holm, Jesper Skibby, Rolf Sørensen and Michael Rasmussen and other riders from the 80's and 90's.

Well, AAAC previously admitted to cheating in last years Summer Cup (by building a custom trainer), because he had a suspicion that others did. Worthy did cheat (regardless of his intention to do so or not) by using an already known trick. That's a fact, right? Hence the Team CycleCheat remark.

Cheating in a online game/competition (and especially in this case where people do it at home) is much easier than in the real world. One of the Danish NC riders (Morten Holt) can attest that I did ask him before and at the NC to make sure, the firmware in his trainer was updated, to not get an unfair advantage on some of the stages. I would not accept/condone a shallow victory based on cheating or "mechanical advantages". Didn't see any of the Danish riders using a remote control during their races either, but maybe it was mounted inside the frame and voice activated.

We didn't check the graphs for each rider, to look for any anomalies, when the final ranking for the 2017 NC was done. Wouldn't have been possible either, as they weren't available until days later, when Pep has finished (grooming and) uploading his data.

Will Sharapova's efforts be questioned in her future tennis endeavours because of her doping/cheating history? Absolutely, and rightfully so.

Yes I am a bit hot headed (and sorry for that), but I thought me and Whorty had a nice and fair competition going on, being close to equal on many stages and therefore in the rankings. The after/pre-race banter is part of the fun (otherwise we could all just be competing against unknown Spanish riders). His actions sort of ruined that, intentionally or not.

I think we all agree that BKOOL needs to step up, but deliberately sabotaging the rankings to prove a point, doesn't help, right?
Getting their sponsors aware of them sponsoring a rigged/bogus competition, might be a better way. In the end, that's what changed many Pro cycling teams, sponsors not wanting to be associated with cheating and doping.

In the end I apologize for any insulting remarks, but hope I proved my point!? Now let's get back to fair racing and let others experiment with various ways of cheating!

 

[AAAC 76C]

Is that not a 4% majority?

My point is that if 2% of the voters voted the other way then it would have been 50/50 and the referendum would have been void.

If the power had been turned off at 21.45 for 10 minutes, would the vote have gone the other way?

Or was it fiddled by the Russians.

Truth is of the power goes off in the UK nothing happens, bushiness as usual then!
And if the vote was held on a damp autumn day 95% of the population would not had made it to the polling station.

 

[<Tommy>]

I have just signed up for the Tour of Cambridgeshire Granfondo. It would be fun to meet some of you if you participate :-)

Great news. From what I've heard it's a very well organised event, and very flat!

I'm going to enter it too I think. Hopefully a few of the other 'southern' guys from here sign up as well. (Not that northerners aren't welcome too!)

 

[Bored Man]

My point is that if 2% of the voters voted the other way then it would have been 50/50 and the referendum would have been void.


Or was it fiddled by the Russians.

Truth is of the power goes off in the UK nothing happens, bushiness as usual then!
And if the vote was held on a damp autumn day 95% of the population would not had made it to the polling station.

Because we would have all been Bkooling...

 

[bobinski]

As far as I recall, neither Ullrich nor Riis was caught, but their team mates confessions eventually made them confess as well. The same thing happened with other Danish riders like Brian Holm, Jesper Skibby, Rolf Sørensen and Michael Rasmussen and other riders from the 80's and 90's.

Well, AAAC previously admitted to cheating in last years Summer Cup (by building a custom trainer), because he had a suspicion that others did. Worthy did cheat (regardless of his intention to do so or not) by using an already known trick. That's a fact, right? Hence the Team CycleCheat remark.

Cheating in a online game/competition (and especially in this case where people do it at home) is much easier than in the real world. One of the Danish NC riders (Morten Holt) can attest that I did ask him before and at the NC to make sure, the firmware in his trainer was updated, to not get an unfair advantage on some of the stages. I would not accept/condone a shallow victory based on cheating or "mechanical advantages". Didn't see any of the Danish riders using a remote control during their races either, but maybe it was mounted inside the frame and voice activated.

We didn't check the graphs for each rider, to look for any anomalies, when the final ranking for the 2017 NC was done. Wouldn't have been possible either, as they weren't available until days later, when Pep has finished (grooming and) uploading his data.

Will Sharapova's efforts be questioned in her future tennis endeavours because of her doping/cheating history? Absolutely, and rightfully so.

Yes I am a bit hot headed (and sorry for that), but I thought me and Whorty had a nice and fair competition going on, being close to equal on many stages and therefore in the rankings. The after/pre-race banter is part of the fun (otherwise we could all just be competing against unknown Spanish riders). His actions sort of ruined that, intentionally or not.

I think we all agree that BKOOL needs to step up, but deliberately sabotaging the rankings to prove a point, doesn't help, right?
Getting their sponsors aware of them sponsoring a rigged/bogus competition, might be a better way. In the end, that's what changed many Pro cycling teams, sponsors not wanting to be associated with cheating and doping.

In the end I apologize for any insulting remarks, but hope I proved my point!? Now let's get back to fair racing and let others experiment with various ways of cheating!

Perhaps I will see you over on the dark side if bkool foolish enough not to sort things out. Mind you if they do I would sign up for a Month to test the water and the racing.

 

[Whorty]

To be honest Whorty, other than you low watts/kg, there is nothing abnormal looking about your stats until you strip way everything bu power and then you can see some short power flats, and they are all in climbs.
Did you physically switch the power of or did it just happen. If the latter then make sure the power plug is fully inserted into the turbo because if it is not fully engaged the increased movement of the bike during increased effort (climbing) could be enough to break the contact and cause the outage rather than it to be anything to do with the power socket.
Here is your power graph of SC5 compared with Jacobs below it.
Other than the scale there is not a big difference other than the odd 2 or 3 data point flats.



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I actively turned the power off. You can see when by the sudden drop in the spike when I turned it back on again. Probably 10-15 times, no more than 20 seconds at a time. Wanted to see what the graph was like and to be honest not as obvious as I thought. Had I not been up front no one would have even noticed, but I didn't cheat to win, I did it to prove a point and see what we can deduce from this. Sad that @Brusgaard has taken it so badly - it wasn't a personal spite. I gained maybe 7 minutes more than I should and I will ride the next rides at a slower pace to lose that time again.

 

[theboxers]

Like I have said before.

I intend to live until I'm 100
If you are a teenager until you are 20 then that leave 80 years to be divided between young, middle and old aged.
So I was:
1. A young man from 20 to 46.66666 years old
2. I'll be a middle aged man until I am 73.33333
So at 57 I am only 2 years into mid-middle age and have another 6 years in the bracket.

Only 43 years left of being senile then!

I want this t-shirt

 

[Bored Man]

Well, AAAC previously admitted to cheating in last years Summer Cup (by building a custom trainer), because he had a suspicion that others did. Worthy did cheat (regardless of his intention to do so or not) by using an already known trick. That's a fact, right? Hence the Team CycleCheat remark.

Guilty by association.. Ullrich, Riis, Brown... Ok I admit it... I have taken performance enhancing beetroot..

Jim (Team CycleCheat)

 

[AAAC 76C]

Well, AAAC previously admitted to cheating in last years Summer Cup (by building a custom trainer)

I didn't so much build a custom trainer I just put an early Pro PCB in my Classic which is the only difference between the two turbo's other than some minor manufacturing changes.
My Turbo Trainer therefore showed as a Pro in the results board but continued to behave like and early Pro.
I did this because my Classic was broken and I bought a broken Pro off of e-bay to fix it.
At the time I was about to buy a new trainer because I was destroying everyone in the Chaingangs because the Pro firmware had moved on but my old Pro PCB could not be updated.
Just so happened to be about the time of the SC and there were still plenty of folk blasting up the start of climbs at 50+ kph.

So in summary I used my old 'self repaired' turbo trainer because I didn't have a new one then.

 

[<Tommy>]

Just saw your comments TT... really???????
Never play for Tottenham Hotspur! I'd love to see your bucket list

My bucket list...hmm I'm so un ambitious it's painful... I really want to spend some time living on a canal boat. Does that count? Move out of London would be number one. Don't want to die in the smog!!

You can tell he's a boss!

Now can you tell that to my daughters please!?!

And a realist. I still am in denial that Trump is president.

It's crazy isn't it Randy? Reality is stranger than fiction it really is...

 

[Bored Man]

I will ride the next rides at a slower pace to lose that time again.

There you go again... you just can't help yourself can you? Two wrongs don't make a right..

Slowing down is cheating and will effect my results...

I demand you re-start all the Summer Cup stages again.. and honestly this time.

 

[Randyberlin]

The kitchen isn't going to get painted if this banter keeps up. I'm listening to a baseball game on my phone paired with the Echo so every reply here makes a noise and I stop and read it. I could close the app but I'm afraid I might miss something.