Team BKool CycleChat

[Brusgaard]

bit harsh !
least whorty is honest enough to say that he tried it
kinda glad i had my hissy fit 6 mnths ago
if there are prizes or a first place to be had there will always be cheating - from the school playground to big business - it is human nature
i dont think anyone will cure it
18mnths ago i used to really look forward to our little tussles with the passwords - we all knew where we stood and there was some good banter about it
o the good old days
dont look to me for the answers - i told them i would go if they didn't change - they didn't change so i had to go - i miss our rides but hope to get them back someday on some format
in the meantime i hope this gets sorted and no-one falls out

Yes it is harsh, but honest!

I don't agree with your "if we can't (won't) do anything about it, we just have to accept it". We do this for fun, but if there wasn't any competitive edge to it, it wouldn't BE fun. Cheating takes the fun out of competing, and having to exclude now 5 (known) cheats from the top 20 SC rankings, just makes it even less so...

Ask any runner-up in past Tour de Frances, how they feel about being robbed of their win by the many cheats (Armstrong, Ulrich, Riis, Froome (in 10 years) etc.), who has later on been "honest" and "apologized" their cheating.

Sure you get promoted to be the winner in the books, but where is the fun in that, 10 years after, when you could have earned millions, and nobody really cares anymore?

 

[Bored Man]

So what you are basically saying is that we should ACCEPT cheating, just because it is done on a computer instead of on the road? Try telling that to the many eSports events around the world with teams making millions of dollars in prizemoney....

Why did you choose a SC stage to prove that power-cheating was possible? You could have used ANY of your previous sessions since you bought your BKOOL. I find that a bit sad...

 

[berty bassett]

Yes it is harsh, but honest!

I don't agree with your "if we can't (won't) do anything about it, we just have to accept it". We do this for fun, but if there wasn't any competitive edge to it, it wouldn't BE fun. Cheating takes the fun out of competing, and having to exclude now 5 (known) cheats from the top 20 SC rankings, just makes it even less so...

Ask any runner-up in past Tour de Frances, how they feel about being robbed of their win by the many cheats (Armstrong, Ulrich, Riis, Froome (in 10 years) etc.), who has later on been "honest" and "apologized" their cheating.

Sure you get promoted to be the winner in the books, but where is the fun in that, 10 years after, when you could have earned millions, and nobody really cares anymore?

what i think i said was i am sure whorty would deduct any advantage made on his next ride so his times won't be enhanced in anyway and, if they can not stop multi million pound races from having cheats , i don't think they will even bother trying to stop middle age men in their sheds from trying to win a tee shirt !
like i said this dont affect me and i was just watching from the sideline , just thought i would stick up for someone being honest about things

 

[Bored Man]

First you deliberately chose the longest stage, and therefore with most time to be gained by cheating.

Next, you could have stopped 100m before the finish and saved and still have all the proof you need, your effort recorded, but not messed up the rankings.

It is common knowledge that BKOOL currently accepts any ride, no matter how bogus they are. Didn't need to prove that...

Sure the league is for fun, but me re-doing a lot of stages, because of my post-injuries results being sub-par, was no fun. I think I earned that 10 minute lead against you, only to be p*ssed away by you first drafting most of stage 9 and then this cheat...

eSports is the common name for people competing in Counter Strike, World of Warcraft, League of Legends etc. It is a billion dollar business these days...

If cheating is generally accepted on this forum, maybe it should be Team CycleCheat instead...

Makes you question the validity of any future Nations Cup events...

 

[Brusgaard]

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I prefer the red pill... The blue one, as well as those cheating, is a bit hard to swallow...

 

[Bored Man]

I once attended an interview for a job. During the interview I was asked a question which I answered honestly. I was unsuccessful in my application for the role and when I asked for feedback on my performance, I was told that I had chosen the wrong coloured pill.. seriously... FFS..

 

[AAAC 76C]

Confession and Apologies
@AAAC 76C can you do your funky analysis of my ride and see how the speed and power graphs look? Be interesting to see if this looks anything like what Pepe's rides look like.

To be honest Whorty, other than you low watts/kg, there is nothing abnormal looking about your stats until you strip way everything bu power and then you can see some short power flats, and they are all in climbs.
Did you physically switch the power of or did it just happen. If the latter then make sure the power plug is fully inserted into the turbo because if it is not fully engaged the increased movement of the bike during increased effort (climbing) could be enough to break the contact and cause the outage rather than it to be anything to do with the power socket.
Here is your power graph of SC5 compared with Jacobs below it.
Other than the scale there is not a big difference other than the odd 2 or 3 data point flats.

 

[bobinski]

I nearly posted but held back. I will now.

Whorty completely up front so really should not be attacked like that. It's a frigging game however competitive. It is bkool and their appalling customer service and support, the dismissive head in the sand approach that needs to be challenged and Whorty has provided an example to do so.

So, let's you all hold hands and sing kumbaya or something. Leave me to dig and snipe at bkool while you get on with collectively encouraging, ney, demanding they address these ongoing issues. They won't want to lose die hard bkoolers to Zwift or some other unreliable platform will they?

 

[berty bassett]

To be honest Whorty, other than you low watts/kg, there is nothing abnormal looking about your stats until you strip way everything bu power and then you can see some short power flats, and they are all in climbs.
Did you physically switch the power of or did it just happen. If the latter then make sure the power plug is fully inserted into the turbo because if it is not fully engaged the increased movement of the bike during increased effort (climbing) could be enough to break the contact and cause the outage rather than it to be anything to do with the power socket.
Here is your power graph of SC5 compared with Jacobs below it.
Other than the scale there is not a big difference other than the odd 2 or 3 data point flats.



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what about the chart with the little purple line with blobs on ?
stop me if i am getting too techy

 

[AAAC 76C]

i don't think they will even bother trying to stop middle age men in their sheds from trying to win a tee shirt !

Berty, the session prizes are all raffles, you don't have to win rather complete the live session.
That is one of the positive things BKool do with their live races in the the prize is all about taking part and not winning.

 

[AAAC 76C]

what about the chart with the little purple line with blobs on ?
stop me if i am getting too techy

Unlike the Jacob/Pep comparison I showed Whorty's speed graph didn't show the flats so well because they are hidden by the data points (the blobs).
As I said if you looked at them altogether you would not have see the flats and I only found them because Whorty asked me to look.

 

[Brusgaard]

I nearly posted but held back. I will now.

Whorty completely up front so really should. It be attacked like that. It's a frigging game however competitive. It is bkool and their appalling customer service and support, the dismissive head in the sand approach that needs to be challenged and Whorty has provided an example to do so.

So, let's you all hold hands and sing kumbaya or something. Leave me to dig and snipe at bkool while you get on with collectively encouraging, may, demanding they address these ongoing issues. They won't want to lose die hard bkoolers to Zwift or some other unreliable platform will they?

Yes it is a game, as it is when we amatuers do (local) bike races. Would you accept a guy on a motorbike winning, just because racing is not your daytime job? It is all about fair play, at least that is what we try to teach our children here in Denmark.

I accept and respect that he wanted to prove a point (although already proved by Bridgy and presumably Pep), I just don't like the way he did it. Bridgy did it the right way, by not completing the stage and messing things up.

The only thing gained from this, was 9-10 minutes in the rankings, everything else was already known...

In my harsh message to BKOOL, I actually did ask them if they wanted us all to switch to Zwift. I had hoped you would all have backed me up against the cheating, but alas you all seem to just accept that by now. Sad but true...

 

[<Tommy>]

If cheating is generally accepted on this forum, maybe it should be Team CycleCheat instead...

Makes you question the validity of any future Nations Cup events...

Maybe it's something that's lost in translation Bruusgard. Accepting something happens doesn't mean it's ok or you agree with it. It just means you are acknowledging it happens.

Some examples?

I accept the UK voted to leave Europe
I accept Donald Trump is US president
I accept I'll probably never play football for Tottenham Hotspur

Do I like these things? No. But I accept them to be true. We don't agree or condone cheating by accepting it happens.

The difference between Whorty and the other people you mentioned is that they were caught. Whorty admitted he gained an advantage the next day. Maybe what Whorty did wasn't perfect. But your comments are very unfortunate and a bit insulting.

Maybe change the name to cyclecheat? Really? Maybe question our nation cup results? Well I was part of that team this year. We came rock bottom last and were still very happy because we knew that we absolutely killed ourselves for every point we'd won. And we did that knowing there was a very good chance at least one Spanish rider would not play by the rules... I have no doubt next years team will try just as hard in an honest way and to question that is an insult and very unessasary.
If you want to get pissed off about what you feel Whorty did what sort of reaction do you expect from this type of comment that you made?

Some people don't like seeing arguments and I can understand that. Fine. I'm not one for sitting on the fence. Maybe change our name to cyclecheat? I think you need to apologise for that comment or get the fuk out of here. Seriously. We're all honest here. Including you I believe. That type of comment is total bullshit.

I think you're a good guy Bruusgard so that's why I can talk straight with you. And I like the fact you're competitive and may I say a little hot headed. Things we have in common!! I'm very much looking forward to racing vs you this winter. But I think you need to take a little step back from what you're saying. None of us like cheating here. As Bob says, get angry with bkool, not eachother!

 

[JacobSkovsgaard]

I have just signed up for the Tour of Cambridgeshire Granfondo. It would be fun to meet some of you if you participate :-)

 

[AAAC 76C]

I nearly posted but held back. I will now.

Whorty completely up front so really should not be attacked like that. It's a frigging game however competitive. It is bkool and their appalling customer service and support, the dismissive head in the sand approach that needs to be challenged and Whorty has provided an example to do so.

So, let's you all hold hands and sing kumbaya or something. Leave me to dig and snipe at bkool while you get on with collectively encouraging, ney, demanding they address these ongoing issues. They won't want to lose die hard bkoolers to Zwift or some other unreliable platform will they?

Got to agree with you there (for once).
I was having a bit of a laugh after a glass or two of wine going on about the remote sockets and the weight doping.
I must admit I was surprised to see that the admin for the SC has switched of the weight gate but then again perhaps we was cheesed off with having to go in and admin rides where people had lost a kilo and hence rightly changed their weight.
If I hadn't have seen some of the names of the Elite Trainer riders in BKool for several years I could even have forgiven them for being naive but I know Sh
Skullfuego has been at it (BKoolng) as long as me and if you go to his home page he is 'friends' with half of the Spanish BKooling population.