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Location
Powys, Wales
Still struggling here atm! Did a steady 6 mile run last night, and disappointed to realise I have tightened my calf muscles doing so much cycling, but they'll soon loosen up. But generally feeling pretty fragile. Still hoping to make the thursday run!
 

wheely

Regular
I don't think they're giving that firmware update at the moment. I uninstalled and reinstalled a couple of days ago and they didn't offer a firmware update. Even when they were, I could never get mine to install.
Yeah tried an update by deleting and reinstalling but nothing happened i think I'm on version 3.5 for the pro. Is this the current version?
 

Darryn007

Über Member
Location
Belgium
Has anyone tried to import more than 1 training file for the same day yet on the BKool site?
I did my Tuesday run/swim/run session yesterday, so 2 run sessions to be uploaded (swimming I don't bother with a hr monitor), but I can only seem to get 1 file per day uploaded as a import file option?

EDIT:
I just checked my calendar and it is showing up there, but not in my 'Home' page for some reason. Ok I suppose there will be a logical reason for that.

EDIT2
So in he calendar I can see it, but cannot open the file....It also does not show up in the 'History'. Strange!
 
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dorego

Member
I am on version V3.2 at the moment. Think yours is the newest firmware. Looking forward to getting the new update now that the Bkool Staff will be back from Hols afters yesterdays Festival of Kings.
 
So according to bkool the pro version has an inbuilt cadence sensor, I'm curious how that works. Have managed to get the heart rate monitor to sync up and working well now.

Just getting my head around the software now.
I've got the pro version as well and I'd be interested to know how it works! If you choose to believe it I'm averaging in the 130rpm over 30 odd miles. Sure that can't be right! Would love to know what's more important power or cadence. I'm a lowly amateur 10 and can't generate much more than 160 watts yet I seem to beat more powerful riders probably due to spinning the pedals faster, just don't get it?!
 

gbrown

Geoff on Bkool
Location
South Somerset
I've got the pro version as well and I'd be interested to know how it works! If you choose to believe it I'm averaging in the 130rpm over 30 odd miles. Sure that can't be right! Would love to know what's more important power or cadence. I'm a lowly amateur 10 and can't generate much more than 160 watts yet I seem to beat more powerful riders probably due to spinning the pedals faster, just don't get it?!

Power, power, power ...

Cadence is interesting, as you will be more efficient at certain cadences than others, depending on your physiology, but power is all that matters in the end, it's just how you produce it, and how long you can maintain it.

The pro calculates cadence the same as the power tap hub, it looks at peaks in torque and assumes two peaks per revolution of the pedals. As each foot passes the top dead centre and starts pushing down it will increase torque until a peak, and then reduce as it approaches bottom dead centre, then the other foot takes over. Counting torque peaks and dividing by two would give cadence.

The powertap is pretty good at this, so long as you are pedalling at a decent rate and not changing gear, and I understand that the Bkool Pro is also pretty good, once you have the latest (withdrawn) firmware applied. On previous firmware it is supposed to be rubbish. No way are you averaging 130 rpm over 30 miles, you'd be lucky to hit 130 rpm at all, perhaps downhill briefly!

It is thought to be better to pedal at a high cadence as this is less draining of the muscles, and more likely to use aerobic respiration (with oxygen) than anaerobic respiration. You can maintain a certain level of aerobic respiration for a very long time, so long as you can get oxygen to your muscles to sustain that rate. Anaerobic respiration, on the other hand, you can only maintain for a certain amount of time before you run out and have to stop. So a higher cadence is better for endurance.

Also, since power is torque times rpm the higher the rpm the higher the power, so long as the torque does not reduce. The highest power will be produced when the product of torque and rpm are at the highest, this is unlikely to be at a low rpm.

I have seen recommendations for pedal cadence of at least 80-90 rpm, perhaps dropping below this on a very steep climb where it is hard to maintain. However, it takes a little training to get use to using a higher cadence.

Cheers,

Geoff
 

kipster

Guru
Location
Hampshire
I've got the pro version as well and I'd be interested to know how it works! If you choose to believe it I'm averaging in the 130rpm over 30 odd miles. Sure that can't be right! Would love to know what's more important power or cadence. I'm a lowly amateur 10 and can't generate much more than 160 watts yet I seem to beat more powerful riders probably due to spinning the pedals faster, just don't get it?!

The older firmware (v3.2) over estimated the cadence, the newer one (v3.3) sorted that issue out. It also resolved an issue I had with strange power readings. The amature/active/pro/elite rankings are calculated on watts/kg, so for me to get amateur 10 I have to produce about 240 watts. To be amate 10 at 160w means you are about 53kg or 8.3 stones.

Cadence is great for a smooth pedaling action, some say that between 80 - 90 is most efficient, I tend to average 80 now but when I first got the turbo I was all over the place. Power is a better training metric to measure effort. Heart rate zones are also useful, but I find that since joining the leagues discussed in this thread that it's always running high.

Edit, plus what Geoff said above :smile:
 

S Kirk Esq

Member
Location
Redhill, Surrey
:welcome:
HI Simon,

I see you joined the Thursday night league, I'm afraid you just missed Stage 1, Stage 2 is a Velodrome session on Thursday, followed by a short sharp climb from the 100 Greatest Cycling Climbs.

If you can't make it on the night, you have all week to do the climb, but the Velodrome sessions don't show up in the league so it's just for fun!

Geoff

Thanks Geoff :smile: I'll see about a catch up tonight of some sort, might even try a Velodrome session as I've not done one before (though everybody here seems to hate them judging by the comments!).

Cheers,
Simon
 

BILL S

Guru
Location
London
Ho Humm. Another league run tonight (Salcombe Hill) but not showing up anywhere. Second email sent to bkool about this.

Anyway, Thursday night ride tomorrow 7pm Velodrome then Salcombe Hill. Should be fun:smile:
 

Darryn007

Über Member
Location
Belgium
Ho Humm. Another league run tonight (Salcombe Hill) but not showing up anywhere. Second email sent to bkool about this.

Anyway, Thursday night ride tomorrow 7pm Velodrome then Salcombe Hill. Should be fun:smile:

I did the mountain goat ride stage 2 (Mt Ventoux) tonight, also not shown up yet on my history page.
 

wheely

Regular
I have done a velodrome run this evening and it's not shown up either.....must be a problem at bkool servers!!
 
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