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It is convenient but it’s also true of large aspects of tourism. London is one of the most popular destinations in the world. It’s not because of the weather or the food or the people or the nightlife. It is because of the history, monarchy, the museums the architecture and the galleries. Most of these are free and subsidised. People come for some or all combinations of those. It’s impossible (convenient) to know the exact break down. But we do know the visitor numbers to the various sites and what tourism brings to the economy. It’s worth it.

By that argument, the UK should do as some regions of Germany do, and subsidise train tickets, so tourists can travel to other parts of the UK; there's a fair bit of history in the rest of the country, so why only have tourists bringing money into London's economy? How is that worth it for York, Manchester or Edinburgh?
 
I agree with you about local funding for the Arts etc...there is some funding available from the Arts council...I know my partner has recently secured some funding for local artists and projects,but there's never enough is there?
But surely Tate modern and other public gallery's are there for the good of the public....free entry means it's accessible for all.

In theory, they are, but as yet I've not seen an argument how this "good for the public" is calculated, or who makes the decision and on what criteria?
How do "the public" benefit from this "art" especially if 1: they live a long way away, and 2: they can't understand what they're looking at when they go there?
I'm not saying there's no benefit, but how do we know? Where's the accountability? How do we know it isn't a group of clever people telling everyone else we should subsidise the emperor's great new outfit?

I said free entry...but why not make yourself a packed lunch and go to your local gallery...they need your support.

But do they deserve your support? Possibly, but again, how do we know?
 

markemark

Über Member
By that argument, the UK should do as some regions of Germany do, and subsidise train tickets, so tourists can travel to other parts of the UK; there's a fair bit of history in the rest of the country, so why only have tourists bringing money into London's economy? How is that worth it for York, Manchester or Edinburgh?

U.K. does subsidise trains. And roads.
 
U.K. does subsidise trains. And roads.

I should have said that more clearly. Germany has a "tourist tax" in some regions, which is part of your overnight bill in a hotel or campsite. In the Black Forest it's about 1,50 € a night. For this, you get a receipt that allows (amongst other things) free travel on all local transport in the Black Forest for the following day. As a result, people travel all over the place visiting smaller attractions that really need the support, instead of staying in the main tourist centres.
 
Does art “need” to be understood?

If it isn't understandable why does it "deserve" a subsidy?
 

Adam4868

Legendary Member
I should have said that more clearly. Germany has a "tourist tax" in some regions, which is part of your overnight bill in a hotel or campsite. In the Black Forest it's about 1,50 € a night. For this, you get a receipt that allows (amongst other things) free travel on all local transport in the Black Forest for the following day. As a result, people travel all over the place visiting smaller attractions that really need the support, instead of staying in the main tourist centres.
Quid a night tourist tax in Manchester on your hotel stay.
 

Ming the Merciless

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If it isn't understandable why does it "deserve" a subsidy?

You don’t need to “understand” anything about art, to appreciate or derive something from it. I’ve got a large amount of joy and interesting perspectives from art, I wouldn't claim to understand much of it.

That's the thing about art, it’s interpretation is entirely our own, it doesn’t need to be understood or explained.

A world without art, would be that little less bright.
 

Ian H

Ancient randonneur
Whether you could have painted it is irrelevant. The fact is you didn’t.

As a younger man I used to collect Jackson Pollock prints. Anyone could have done what he did, by splashing paint around but somehow he managed to instil an element of depth into his pictures that just swallowed me up by the sheer enormity of them.

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They weren't entirely random, and he selected the sections he wanted from the initial result.
 
You don’t need to “understand” anything about art, to appreciate or derive something from it. I’ve got a large amount of joy and interesting perspectives from art, I wouldn't claim to understand much of it.

That's the thing about art, it’s interpretation is entirely our own, it doesn’t need to be understood or explained.

A world without art, would be that little less bright.

Which is all very well, but why then should people pay for it whether they appreciate/understand/get a new perspective or not, or indeed live too far away to ever even see it?

I'm not arguing there should be no support of the arts, but that if we expect people to pay for it, it needs to be accessible to a wide range of people. That's not to say everything should appeal to everyone, but to make sure the criteria for funding are transparent, so it doesn't end up being a group of people convincing everyone else they're somehow experts, and handing other people's money to each other. It's also incumbent on these experts to be able to communicate why these decisions are made, rather than dismissing people who ask too many questions.

This is another reason in my mind to divert money from big galleries into community projects: it increases contact between "artists" and normal people and makes the "experts" accountable.

We need this precisely so that support for the arts will continue, because if increasing numbers of people begin to feel alienated, then the result will be that nothing gets any support, and we will then be poorer for it.
 

Ian H

Ancient randonneur
Anyway, I'm with R Mutt.
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