Tate modern

[Andy in Germany]

Nit quite. Yes London benefits from the money they spend. But a large chunk is paid in tax which is not specific to London. Now London, the South East (and sometime the East of England) are the only areas that earn more in tax than it spends. They subsidise the rest of the U.K. which runs at a loss. So this, along with the huge incomes in tax the rest of London’s economy raises, subsidises everyone else. We could argue that why should London do that using the same logic.

That still seems an odd way of managing a country, but I appreciate I'm wandering off Art and toward NACA territory.

I will say though that this is an advantage of having sixteen semi-autonomous states: spending on many things including art subsidies is decided locally so it is more accountable, and it means that we don't have to go to Berlin to see an art gallery because there is one in our own state capital, in my case Stuttgart, and funded locally.

That said, there are still some strange decisions made regarding art in Germany: you certainly don't have a monopoly on pretentious art:

 

[markemark]

That still seems an odd way of managing a country, but I appreciate I'm wandering off Art and toward NACA territory.

I will say though that this is an advantage of having sixteen semi-autonomous states: spending on many things including art subsidies is decided locally so it is more accountable, and it means that we don't have to go to Berlin to see an art gallery because there is one in our own state capital, in my case Stuttgart, and funded locally.

That said, there are still some strange decisions made regarding art in Germany: you certainly don't have a monopoly on pretentious art:

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There are local pots and national pots. There are investments that have immediate returns. There are those that come over time. There are investments that have knock on benefits beyond financial return. It’s too reductionist to simply work out how much something costs as the benefits are convoluted, non-linear and often more than economic.

 

[Ming the Merciless]

Normally the argument is that as a society

There are plenty of roads that get built from my taxes, that millions will never benefit from, including myself..

But anyway, £10 billion was spent on arts across the country in 2024. Tate Modern is but one, but a long way from taking all that money.

 

[Dogtrousers]

This thread has made me think that what I really, really want is a miniature copy of Duchamp's "fountain". Surely such a thing must be available somewhere? Surely the Tate has seen that people would want these and would have one in their shop? Or maybe someone is making 3D printed ones and selling them on Etsy?

I mean, if you made a little one - say 15cm long - it clearly wouldn't be a fake. And there are all kinds of artworks (the Mona Lisa, Michelangelo's David, Van Gogh's Sunflowers etc) that have resulted in tat being sold in museum shops. So why not a miniature Duchamp urinal?

But no, it seems that the demand isn't as high as I thought. I did manage to find a 3D print design for one, but alas that's all.

I want one!

 

[lazybloke]

This thread has made me think that what I really, really want is a miniature copy of Duchamp's "fountain". Surely such a thing must be available somewhere? Surely the Tate has seen that people would want these and would have one in their shop? Or maybe someone is making 3D printed ones and selling them on Etsy?

I mean, if you made a little one - say 15cm long - it clearly wouldn't be a fake. And there are all kinds of artworks (the Mona Lisa, Michelangelo's David, Van Gogh's Sunflowers etc) that have resulted in tat being sold in museum shops. So why not a miniature Duchamp urinal?

But no, it seems that the demand isn't as high as I thought. I did manage to find a 3D print design for one, but alas that's all.

I want one!
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Not quite a fruit bowel

 

[wiggydiggy]

Always liked this Red Dwarf sketch on 'Art'


View: https://youtu.be/rwdxIUeMrSM?si=M2208-FfgF8C6Wwp&t=90