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That maybe what you want from. Others may want to see something that makes them think, or provokes feeling, or challenges perceptions. You are justifying why it is wrong by overlaying your own rules.

Food should be cooked for a long time and make you full.
Films should be easy to follow and make you happy.
Conversations should be interesting and structured.

I’m with @Punkawallah
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Couldn’t apply that to a framed “painting” of solid, uniform blue which was hanging last time I visited. I could have painted it.

Sometimes it feels like you need to be creative in making up some “narrative” to justify the exhibit. Not art in my book.

As you say, we’re all different
 

markemark

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I’m with @Punkawallah
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Couldn’t apply that to a framed “painting” of solid, uniform blue which was hanging last time I visited. I could have painted it.

Sometimes it feels like you need to be creative in making up some “narrative” to justify the exhibit. Not art in my book.

As you say, we’re all different

Ooh. This game is fun. Here’s a definition from Oxford Languages.

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Nothing here about how much skill is required to create it but talks about its perception and what emotion it evokes. That absolutely can include a blue framed painting if it evokes an emotional response. Particularly if it’s part of an artist’s collection. Though that does involve thinking about the piece and the artist and the collection which may be a bit too much effort and difficulty to those who want to see a picture of a tennis player scratching her bum.
 
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Punkawallah

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That maybe what you want from. Others may want to see something that makes them think, or provokes feeling, or challenges perceptions. You are justifying why it is wrong by overlaying your own rules.

Food should be cooked for a long time and make you full.
Films should be easy to follow and make you happy.
Conversations should be interesting and structured.

Help yourself to the bananas taped to a wall. I’ll keep the Caravaggio and Corradini.
 

Beebo

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I’m with @Punkawallah
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Couldn’t apply that to a framed “painting” of solid, uniform blue which was hanging last time I visited. I could have painted it.

Whether you could have painted it is irrelevant. The fact is you didn’t.

As a younger man I used to collect Jackson Pollock prints. Anyone could have done what he did, by splashing paint around but somehow he managed to instil an element of depth into his pictures that just swallowed me up by the sheer enormity of them.

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Beebo

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Help yourself to the bananas taped to a wall. I’ll keep the Caravaggio and Corradini.

I was blown away by Caravaggio when I visited the National Gallery as a 15 year old. The exact perfect and perspective is unmatched in skill. But they are almost too good, too perfect. They are even used by people today to track the sinking of Venice because they are so accurate.
 

Punkawallah

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I was blown away by Caravaggio when I visited the National Gallery as a 15 year old. The exact perfect and perspective is unmatched in skill. But they are almost too good, too perfect. They are even used by people today to track the sinking of Venice because they are so accurate.

I was hooked by his John the Baptist in Valletta.
 
In theatre school we had to read a 'classic' play each week and then write a report; my word but they were turgid affairs. We looked forward to Shakespeare because that at least had some action and a plot.

A lot of the time it felt like we were being instructed to admire the Emperor's clothes, like the required question, "What is it about the dialogue that makes it seem realistic?" I frequently wanted to write "It isn't realistic." but of course I had to come up with something, so I made stuff up.

I often wonder how many people in the industry are doing the same; just going along with the prevailing wind and making stuff up so no-one will call them "uncultured"; pretending the Emperor is wearing fine robes when he's parading down the road in a pair of boxer shorts, while the "tailors" run away with the money.

Often the arguments seemed circular: the play was a "classic" because this brilliant writer had written it, and why was the writer brilliant? Because they'd written so many classic plays, of course.

And this was also why it was so very important for the theatre to be subsidised; because the plays were "important". But if they're important, why did no-one seem to want to watch them? We performed "important and challenging" plays to empty theatres.

After nine months of this, I was supposed to write my own play, so I wrote a comedy. I didn't always write comedies thereafter, nor did I always have happy endings, but I did insist that we always had strong characters and good stories, and were clear who their audience was.
 

Punkawallah

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In theatre school we had to read a 'classic' play each week and then write a report; my word but they were turgid affairs. We looked forward to Shakespeare because that at least had some action and a plot.

A lot of the time it felt like we were being instructed to admire the Emperor's clothes, like the required question, "What is it about the dialogue that makes it seem realistic?" I frequently wanted to write "It isn't realistic." but of course I had to come up with something, so I made stuff up.

I often wonder how many people in the industry are doing the same; just going along with the prevailing wind and making stuff up so no-one will call them "uncultured"; pretending the Emperor is wearing fine robes when he's parading down the road in a pair of boxer shorts, while the "tailors" run away with the money.

Often the arguments seemed circular: the play was a "classic" because this brilliant writer had written it, and why was the writer brilliant? Because they'd written so many classic plays, of course.

And this was also why it was so very important for the theatre to be subsidised; because the plays were "important". But if they're important, why did no-one seem to want to watch them? We performed "important and challenging" plays to empty theatres.

After nine months of this, I was supposed to write my own play, so I wrote a comedy. I didn't always write comedies thereafter, nor did I always have happy endings, but I did insist that we always had strong characters and good stories, and were clear who their audience was.

The customer will dictate the success of a performance - the ‘blackout’ plays in London had to change their policy when they were economically unviable.
 
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