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That's horrific. I wouldn't care how long ago that was, I'd be pursuing the complaint. That example truly does go beyond merely bad or lazy police work into the reasons of criminal!
Surely if the driver failed the breath test he was arrested, and if so they couldn't possibly deny being there? If they didn't arrest him even though he failed the breath test that's certainly grounds for dismissal, and the breath kits register every use.
Forget 'closing ranks', there should be enough there for any professional standards department to work with, and I can assure you, they are 100 percent independent from the original officers.
Seriously though, occasionally I read stories on here and think 'lazy officer making us look bad'. Sometimes I even think 'the storyteller isn't telling us the full picture here'. Rarely do I read something like yours which leaves me dumbfounded and disgusted. That level of corruption (most appropriate word I think) is NOT normal in any way, and shouldn't be looked on as such.
Surely if the driver failed the breath test he was arrested, and if so they couldn't possibly deny being there? If they didn't arrest him even though he failed the breath test that's certainly grounds for dismissal, and the breath kits register every use.
Forget 'closing ranks', there should be enough there for any professional standards department to work with, and I can assure you, they are 100 percent independent from the original officers.
Seriously though, occasionally I read stories on here and think 'lazy officer making us look bad'. Sometimes I even think 'the storyteller isn't telling us the full picture here'. Rarely do I read something like yours which leaves me dumbfounded and disgusted. That level of corruption (most appropriate word I think) is NOT normal in any way, and shouldn't be looked on as such.
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classic33
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The driver gave a non-existent address, which when pointed out was met with the answer its not their(the polices) problem. He'd failed the breath test, not arrested but was allowed to continue on his way home, a further 7 miles away. More or less where I'd just come from.
Car was spotted, by chance, whilst using a bus the following week. I got off, went back to the car and made a note of the fact that it had not VED, damage to front end & bonnet. Went through the phonebook that night & matched a name with the address. Contacted them & was told that the car belonged to their daughter, who didn't want to speak to me. Number left for her to call, when she felt like talking.
No producer was issued on the night. But it was later found, three years to the date on which I was told it was never issued, by the same officer who said it was never issued. He was now a D.I..
Officer attending in a van, to the 999 call, from a station just down the road from the drivers address, about 100 yards away.
I think my every second sentence was "F**K It", I hurt like hell & annoyed at what had just happenned. This officer would later deny attending on the night, but he never reported the collision. He was a DC when last seen & spoken to in an interview room at the local central station. Only the one tape placed in the machine, built to take two. I was able to give him the drivers name, correct address, address on the night of the collision, age & D.O.B.. Employer & where he actually worked. The fact that he was now a father & that it was a daughter, not a son.
At this point it was more than clear to me that he wasn't pleased at what I'd told him. At this point, the threat of being thrown in a cell until I'd time to think about what I was trying to do, was made. I "Was not the detective in the room, he was" my reply to that was "that until those who were supposed to be doing the work they were paid for. I'd carry on with what I was doing". At this point the "interview" was over, he removed the tape, placing it in his pocket, before telling me to leave the station, "or else".
Calls had been made, by the police, informing me that this officer had died the year before. Only information given to the police used/given in these calls.
An "Inspector" phoned asking me about my latest letter. He gave his name & even spelt it out for me. Contacted the police HQ & asked when "Inspector" .................... was next on duty, to be met with the expected answer that there was no officer with the name given on the force let alone in the station he claimed to be working from. That was the third false/non existent officer spoken to. Where were they coming from? Is it not illegal to impersonate a police officer? Questions that were asked, but never answered.
I have the names & addresses of the two officers who attended on the night. Found out without the help of the police. As well as those of two others involved. Should a member of the public be made do what I did or put through what I was, because they were "only a cyclist"?
The officer who attended in the van on the night & the "Inspector" both went onto inform Professional Standards, that the matter had been resolved, I was happy with the outcome & they had informed me that the case was now closed. That was two years after the incident(Officer Attending) & just short of three years for the "Inspector".
And there is one on here who wonders why some of the police near me, are held in low esteem by me.
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Truly shocking!
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I may have read more into it than was actually there, but I never let it sidetrack me. Went with what could be proven, physically. Address, street didn't appear on any street map & the nearest match had an elderly couple there. Real address, near the police station, where the officer responded to the 999 call from cast further doubt on it.
Same officer lived not too far away at the time. But giving that sort of information to him, wouldn't have gone down to well. I think!
The irony of it all, in one way, was the fact that everyone seemed to live or have been sent from nearby where I worked at the time. The opposite end of my commute at the time.
Same officer lived not too far away at the time. But giving that sort of information to him, wouldn't have gone down to well. I think!
The irony of it all, in one way, was the fact that everyone seemed to live or have been sent from nearby where I worked at the time. The opposite end of my commute at the time.
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If it was me I'd be looking up the number of the IPCC.
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Classic33, I'm jolly glad this has been highlighted and will now receive (or already has) the full attention of the authorities.
I confess I have never heard of a motorist failing a roadside breathalyser and not being arrested on the spot. I cannot even imagine the conversation between the officer administering the test and the driver. One hates to say this to a cyclist, but it's not just a teensy bit imagined, is it? If not, I apologise for the slur.
Will we be reading about ths in the press? There are certainly TV, radio and print journalists who'd give their right arm for a story like this.
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I'm sensing you don't quite believe it possible. I didn't when I was informed that he'd failed the roadside test, but was allowed to continue home. A further six miles on three busy A roads. Informed of this fact by the officer who responded to the 999 call. Test was carried out in an unmarked police car on the opposite side of the road. I was given the same test on the roadside, on the opposite side.
I take it your aware of when it was split from the origional thread!
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I was suprised, when I found out, that he'd been allowed to drive away in car with no VED, confirmed by the DVLA, no insurance & no insurance to drive a car that wasn't his.
That he'd failed the roadside breath test was the icing on the cake. I was removed from the scene whilst he was being tested, so wouldn't have been there to see him fail it. Case was open & shut, so I thought upon the DVLA confirming the details given to them.
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That he'd failed the roadside breath test was the icing on the cake. I was removed from the scene whilst he was being tested, so wouldn't have been there to see him fail it. Case was open & shut, so I thought upon the DVLA confirming the details given to them.
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wilkotom
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The thread's 3 years old. I doubt any journos would be interested.
Boris Bajic
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I have nothing invested on this, so I can't really get too worried about it. True or not, it does entertain. If true, I hope any scars are healed.
I see that the thread dates from 1842 or similar. The driver sounds like a chap called Lucan who used to play cards with me. I haven't heard from him for years; some misunderstanding about a nanny.
All in all, it is so far divorced from what I've seen of policing in the UK and so full of allegegations of simply dreadful and criminal behaviour by the police that I find I can't read it without a wry smile and the thought that if this was quite as you describe it you wouldn't be restricting yourself to a cycling forum.
If it happened as you describe it, you will succeed in getting it sorted and getting the malefactors (in the police) identified and prosecuted. If it didn't happen as you describe it, I wish you well but suggest you stick in future to alien civilisations putting things up your backside and messing with your head. You'll always get a lot of buy-in with that stuff.
Either way, you do seem to be living in interesting times.
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glenn forger
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Agreed, this level of collusion and corruption is shocking, protecting their own, from the looks of things.
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Regarding everything you've said here, I can only relay that if it is all accurate it shows a shocking level of misconduct in a public office at the minimum, and you should be back on to the police complaints. IPCC or professional standards, it really doesn't matter.
Given what you accuse, it's not appropriate for a local investigation by the same station and it wouldn't be allowed. They also wouldn't care if three years have passed.
Given what you accuse, it's not appropriate for a local investigation by the same station and it wouldn't be allowed. They also wouldn't care if three years have passed.
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