Drago
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What is this "credit" whereof one speaks?
Should I, she, or we pay this private companies parking fine?
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ClichéGuevara
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A private individual can get details from the DVLA, if they pay £2.50 and can demonstrate that they have 'reasonable cause' for making the request.
To be honest I thought this thread did help air a lot of uncertainties but also attracted a lot of informed possible legal and non legal outcomes with cases cited. All appreciated as it adds to the debate.
My guess is most people are not naive. They pay at the first instance when the penalty or fee is low to avoid further harassment or nuisance even if they think it is unfair. Lesson learnt.
There is also the danger of having your name added to some credit file rightfully or wrongly. These things exist.
The bigger issue is to legislate against cowboy operators, reselling the debtor list more than once, etc. Landlords and business should practice coupon redemption so their carparks are used for their business. They should also invest in pay stations at their premises where payment is made just before one leaves with a 15 minute grace. This means that you pay for the time parked whether it is 30 mins or 3 hours. There is no need to chase debtors as fees are fully paid for the gantries barriers to let you out.
Seen this in operation in many countries. Why are landlords feeding cowboy operators and thugs and not looking after the parking needs of their customers is beyond me.
My guess is most people are not naive. They pay at the first instance when the penalty or fee is low to avoid further harassment or nuisance even if they think it is unfair. Lesson learnt.
There is also the danger of having your name added to some credit file rightfully or wrongly. These things exist.
The bigger issue is to legislate against cowboy operators, reselling the debtor list more than once, etc. Landlords and business should practice coupon redemption so their carparks are used for their business. They should also invest in pay stations at their premises where payment is made just before one leaves with a 15 minute grace. This means that you pay for the time parked whether it is 30 mins or 3 hours. There is no need to chase debtors as fees are fully paid for the gantries barriers to let you out.
Seen this in operation in many countries. Why are landlords feeding cowboy operators and thugs and not looking after the parking needs of their customers is beyond me.
DaveReading
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So the parking company, not being a private individual and (arguably) not being able to demonstrate reasonable cause, presumably wouldn't be able to.
Lozz360
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I didn’t know that. I guess I was just lucky then as the incident I mentioned was about five years ago and I never received a follow up notice in the post.
ClichéGuevara
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Pale Rider
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The parking companies have bulk contracts with the DVLA.
There is nothing registered or regulated about any of this.
The DVLA will flog data to any company or individual prepared to pay for it.
They are looking out for their customer parking needs by employing cowboy operators and thugs to look after the parking, whether they realise they are cowboys and thugs is another thing.
Drago
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See, this is what I don't understand.
The parking firm are suggesting that the inconvenience, expense, and loss of use of the space while Accy's Tweedmobile was paked there comes to a fiscal value of £90.
That being the case, how can they afford to accept £45 without making a loss of he pays it quickly?
That suggests to me that the real cost to them is actually £45, and the £90 isn't to cover their notional expenses or losses, but is an attempt at profiteering. I fail to see how 45 and 90 sheets can both be the value of their inconvenience.
The parking firm are suggesting that the inconvenience, expense, and loss of use of the space while Accy's Tweedmobile was paked there comes to a fiscal value of £90.
That being the case, how can they afford to accept £45 without making a loss of he pays it quickly?
That suggests to me that the real cost to them is actually £45, and the £90 isn't to cover their notional expenses or losses, but is an attempt at profiteering. I fail to see how 45 and 90 sheets can both be the value of their inconvenience.
bikingdad90
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One thing to bear in mind about going to court is that the “loser” can be persued to pay the “winner” legal fees.
Assuming the firm take it all the way to court then you would be looking at paying the fee and then fees on top of at least £200/hr plus statutory interest.
Based on the facts, your fee is reduced to nil by the judge as there was no loss to the firm but the firm wins as the judge agrees you breached the conditions by not shopping at Lidl therefore they win and your fine doubles by way of additional fees. To be £45 looks a good deal.
Assuming the firm take it all the way to court then you would be looking at paying the fee and then fees on top of at least £200/hr plus statutory interest.
Based on the facts, your fee is reduced to nil by the judge as there was no loss to the firm but the firm wins as the judge agrees you breached the conditions by not shopping at Lidl therefore they win and your fine doubles by way of additional fees. To be £45 looks a good deal.
Lozz360
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So I can get the name and address of any registered keeper for a small amount of money? I am not disagreeing with you, I am just very surprised.
Pale Rider
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Costs are not awarded to either side in a small claim, categorised as under £5,000, which this is.
Yes you can, last time I looked I think it was £3.50 for a single number plate.
ClichéGuevara
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Drago
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I think Accy's tactic will be to turn up in tweed and simply owerawe the district judge with his dapper demeanour.
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