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Least talented ‘ever’? Ahem…Taki Inoue…?
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Least talented ‘ever’? Ahem…Taki Inoue…?
It'll be his dad's money that Gunther misses most...
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Reynard
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Almost... Although the klutz did get skittled by a rescue vehicle at the Hungarian GP back in the day...
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Hmmm - Dad has lots of money
wonder if that should be 'used to have lots of money'
or 'still has lots of money but can;t get to it'
in which case - his place might be at risk for more than one reason
Bonefish Blues
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Dad's money will be all over the place. I was listening to a radio programme yesterday featuring a guy who specialises in London Oligarch Tours, which are a bit like the Hollywood Stars tours you get - just touring street after street of Russian-owned properties, all owned via untraceable anonymous companies.
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Any early observations from the 3 days of testing?
Hopefully Ferrari and McLaren are back to near their best.
The porpoising looked a little worrying on the high speed straights and seemed to catch everyone out.
Hopefully Ferrari and McLaren are back to near their best.
The porpoising looked a little worrying on the high speed straights and seemed to catch everyone out.
FishFright
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Porpoising was a problem with the earlier period of ground effects too and won't take long to sort out.
I believe its due to the floor flexing at the rear of the floor, Mclaren's strut solution points this way to me even though the strut won't be race legal.
The shakedown times are pretty much unreadable due to having no clue to the programmes the teams were running. Also the glory runs on the C5 tyres can be excluded.
I think the Bahrain tests will show a lot better picture where the teams stand.
I do wonder if any of the major teams get it well wrong in race conditions because the cap could effectively wipe out their season.
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We'll only know who's where when qualifying and racing begins in ernest, these preseason tests are useful to the teams but don't tell us a lot.
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Not really - it's basically the airflow stalling, which disrupts the laminar flow underneath the car. Given a racing car is effectively an upside down aircraft, this explanation might be useful:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stall_(fluid_dynamics)
I only did this to an undergrad level I'm afraid, and it was one heck of a long time ago. I preferred to break things in a lab.
FishFright
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Not really - it's basically the airflow stalling, which disrupts the laminar flow underneath the car. Given a racing car is effectively an upside down aircraft, this explanation might be useful:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stall_(fluid_dynamics)
I only did this to an undergrad level I'm afraid, and it was one heck of a long time ago. I preferred to break things in a lab.
The teams are saying that the floor is flexing too far downwards towards its rear edge ( in front of the rear wheels) which is causing the airflow to stall underneath the car, the car lifts allowing the flow to reattach and then the downforce pushes it back down too far causing another stall - rinse and repeat.
A similar thing happens when the rear diffusers are ran too low . The FIA raised the diffuser stakes a couple of years to stop the teams using it to lower the drag on the straights.
Interestingly the game Assetto Corsa models this a very basic way, a simple loss of rear downforce if hit box of the diffuser touches the track, Stefano the AC code guru explained it on a youtube stream because people were calling it a bug.
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The car is squatting on its suspension as the level of downforce rises and that is changing the angle of attack causing a stall, once its stalled the car rises changing the angle of attack and creating downforce again till it stalls again.
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Reynard
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It's a phenomenon that doesn't really happen with the old style flat-bottomed cars - that's why the flat bottoms were introduced for 1983 and have existed in various iterations since.
Like with an aircraft wing, the underbody of ground effect cars are curved and sculpted in such a way to accelerate the airflow underneath, and thus sucking the car to the track surface by lowering the pressure under the floor.
Back in the day, the stalling issue was overcome by active and adjustable suspension.
Like with an aircraft wing, the underbody of ground effect cars are curved and sculpted in such a way to accelerate the airflow underneath, and thus sucking the car to the track surface by lowering the pressure under the floor.
Back in the day, the stalling issue was overcome by active and adjustable suspension.
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Well, the FIA is busy accumulating splinters in its collective arses.
Motorsport UK, meanwhile, have banned all holders of Russian competition licenses from any UK-based event.
Motorsport UK, meanwhile, have banned all holders of Russian competition licenses from any UK-based event.
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Here is the relevant article: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/60586914
A motorsport historian friend of mine says the FIA was equally slow and indecisive when it came to South Africa in the early 1980s, so it's nothing new. In this case, it's more likely that money talks and everything else walks...
A motorsport historian friend of mine says the FIA was equally slow and indecisive when it came to South Africa in the early 1980s, so it's nothing new. In this case, it's more likely that money talks and everything else walks...
Beebo
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I agree. But how would Haas cope without Russian backing?
